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Dancing with Systems

Wayne Visser & Sally Uren
Finance
Climate Change / Decarbonization
Nature-Based Solutions
Policy / Regulation
Aviva

Dancing with Systems (co-hosted by Dr Sally Uren and Prof. Dr Wayne Visser) aims to help change agents from across the spectrum - in business, government, academia, and civil society - better understand the complex set of dynamics at play in the extraordinary systems transitions currently underway.

This debut season will explore how six key systems - energy, food, finance, technology, nature and... more

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Latest Episodes

How finance underpins all sector transitions—and how we fix the flow

The finance system underpins almost every major transition underway, acting both as a root cause of past systemic failures and as the ultimate lever for future solutions. In this e... more

The food system is full of big numbers — and even bigger tensions.

In this episode, Wayne and Sally dive deep into one of our most culturally embedded and vital global systems. From soil health and water usage to biodiversity and the power of food t... more

AI and clean tech are converging to influence the pace and nature of

key systems transition.

AI is the great accelerator — but accelerating in the wrong direction is still the wrong direction. In this episode, Wayne and Sally explore the double-edge... more

Why the energy transition might already be unstoppable.

The energy transition isn't coming — it's already here. In our first episode, Wayne and Sally unpack why the shift to renewables has passed the point of no return, who's leading the charge glob... more

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Paul Dickinson
Co-founder and managing partner at Transition Value Partners; co-host of Outrage and Optimism
Transition Value Partners; Outrage and Optimism
Episode: S1.E4: Making Nature an Investable Asset: The Finance System Transition
Claudine Blamey
Chief Sustainability Officer at Aviva
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Episode: S1.E4: Making Nature an Investable Asset: The Finance System Transition

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S1.E4: Making Nature an Investable Asset: The Finance System Transition
Q: How is Aviva enabling the transition and making nature investable?
Claudine outlines Aviva's adaptation and resilience focus, nature restoration funding, ecosystem service monetization, and the Flood Action Coalition as a platform to align stakeholders and create customer-ready, nature-backed financial products.
S1.E4: Making Nature an Investable Asset: The Finance System Transition
Q: What can individuals do to influence the transition of the finance system?
Claudine and hosts discuss consumer choices, responsible investing, and participating in governance through place-based actions; the idea that individual money decisions can shift market incentives is highlighted.
S1.E4: Making Nature an Investable Asset: The Finance System Transition
Q: Could you start us off by saying, why do we need to transition the finance sector and where are we at in that transition?
Paul Dickinson explains that finance underwrites all sectors and that decarbonization depends on whether it is profitable; if it is, finance will fund rapid decarbonization, otherwise it may stagnate. He also raises definitional questions about what counts as climate finance and emphasizes the role of policy in shaping profitability to unlock investment.

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