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For too long we have avoided talking about religion and politics. But the truth is, religion and politics are about daily life. When we avoid the hard topics connected to religion and politics, we become stuck in the status quo. On Complexified we dive into the places where religion and politics collide with real-life, so we can get unstuck- so we can make real change. We dive into our most entren... more

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Jack Jenkins
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Claire Jean Gravet
Vatican correspondent for Religion News Service
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Episode: Building God, Fearing Doom: The Theology of Superintelligence
Hayden Royster
Reporter for Religion News Service
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Episode: Building God, Fearing Doom: The Theology of Superintelligence
Vanita Gupta
Former US Associate Attorney General
This State of Belief guest on the episode
Episode: Pope Leo XIV and the Case for Imperfection
Elesha Coffman
Historian at Baylor University, author of Turning Points in American Church History
Baylor University
Episode: Separation of Church and State Was a Baptist Idea. What Happened?
Claire Jeangravet
Vatican reporter
Vatican News / Reuters–style outlet represented in the interview
Episode: What Stuck: Reading Pope Francis a Year Later
Claire Giangravé
Vatican reporter
Crux Now
Episode: What If the Most Powerful American in the World Isn't Who You Think?
Tim Schrader Rodriguez
Survivor of conversion therapy who discusses his experiences and the Supreme Court ruling
Former participant in conversion therapy; advocate survivor
Episode: He Survived Conversion Therapy. The Supreme Court Just Made it Legal Again
Catherine Pepinster
Journalist who reported on Mullally's rise and the network of women who helped make it possible
Episode: The Myth of Sudden Change: How the First Woman Archbishop Got There

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Amanda Henderson
Host of Complexified; affiliated with the Institute for Religion, Politics and Culture (with various partnerships)

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5.0 out of 5 stars from 31 ratings
  • If I may take a quote out of context, I’d say this show is “…shaped inside of a wide horizon.” (Dr. Willie J. Jennings. Imagine a land of belonging. June 2024. Min 17:25) >br />I like to joke that even tho Iliff is a small school it takes forever to get down the hallway cause you overhear and join all these incredible conversations. Complexified shares insight into the mindset at Iliff School of Theology thru these conversations with professors and fantastic philosophical minds from other spaces... more

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    5
    Anna A
    United States2 years ago
  • Like walking thru the halls of Iliff School of Theology

    If I may take a quote out of context, I’d say this show is “…shaped inside of a wide horizon.” (Dr. Willie J. Jennings. Imagine a land of belonging. June 2024. Min 17:25) >br />I like to joke that even tho Iliff is a small school it takes forever to get down the hallway cause you overhear and join all these incredible conversations. Complexified shares insight into the mindset at Iliff School of Theology thru these conversations with professors and fantastic philosophical minds from other spaces... more

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    5
    Anna A
    United States2 years ago
  • Religiously curious? Politically frustrated? That’s me.

    I’ve been fascinated by religion for most of my life. At different time I’ve engaged, and other times I’ve distanced myself from it. But one thing that’s always intrigued me as the connection between religion and politics in America. It’s undeniable.

    Complexitied does something I haven’t heard in other podcasts, which is to draw our attention closer to the interconnectedness of religion and politics in America. I can’t think of more important thing to focus on in the lead up to the 2024 electio... more

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    @mattmorris
    United States2 years ago
  • This is worth your ears!

    While acknowledging and upholding the separation between Church and State, Complexified reveals to us the reality of how these two entities have been and will forever be entwined. You do not have to be religious (or even spiritual!) to enjoy and LEARN from this Podcast.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    KP-HP
    United States4 years ago
  • Amanda thank you for bringing Rob Schenck to your platform. And Rob, thank you for your authenticity and honesty. These hidden stories (as I refer to them) are important to hear to understand how we can make a difference!

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    JustMe
    United States4 years ago

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The show brings credible journalism and nuanced discussion to controversial topics.
Accessible without sacrificing intellectual rigor; invites listeners to think critically about beliefs and policy.
Draws thoughtful connections between religion and politics across current events.

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Pope Leo XIV and the Case for Imperfection
Q: How does the Pope view regulation versus innovation in AI?
The Pope advocates for regulation and prudent pauses where needed, emphasizing that AI is not neutral and must be oriented toward the common good, with governance by states and international bodies.
Pope Leo XIV and the Case for Imperfection
Q: What exactly is an encyclical and why does AI belong in its scope?
An encyclical is the highest magisterial document a Pope issues, signaling a central message for all people of goodwill about pressing issues, and AI is viewed as affecting human dignity and social order, hence its inclusion.
Separation of Church and State Was a Baptist Idea. What Happened?
Q: How did Jefferson and the Danbury Baptists shape the understanding of that wall?
Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists in 1802 popularized the concept of a wall of separation, and while the First Amendment does not explicitly use that phrasing, courts later treated the idea as a guiding interpretation of religious liberty in law.
Separation of Church and State Was a Baptist Idea. What Happened?
Q: Walk us through that origin—why did Baptists push for a wall between church and state?
Baptists fought for separation largely out of fear of persecution by established churches and the desire to avoid a repeat of English-style enforcement, which they equated with papist or Catholic influence and authority over religion and politics.
What Stuck: Reading Pope Francis a Year Later
Q: What evidence is there that his approach is continuing after his death?
The continuity is evident in how his successors and the wider Church have continued to promote synodality, inclusivity in leadership (including women in key roles), and a focus on the peripheries, suggesting his vision will endure beyond his papacy.

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This program consistently explores how faith and public life collide, tackling timely, sometimes controversial topics through a journalistic lens. Recent episodes examine the politics of religion in education, faith in the military, gender and culture in conservative Christian circles, Jewish identity and Israel, and how online ecosystems spread fringe beliefs. Guests tend to be journalists, scholars, and faith leaders who unpack complex issues with nuance, context, and a focus on how beliefs shape policy, institutions, and everyday life. The show often features rigorous reporting, thoughtful interviewing, and a willingness to challenge tidy narratives, making it useful for listeners who want to understand the real-world intersections of re... more

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