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Code and Country

Ian L. Paterson
Cybersecurity
Ransomware
TELUS
Communication Security Establishment
Artificial Intelligence
Crowdstrike
Cybersecurity Policy
National Cyber Security Centre
Post-Quantum Cryptography
Cybersecurity Market
Advanced Persistent Threat
Spam
Public-Private Cybersecurity Collaboration
Cryptocurrency
Craig Newmark Philanthropies
Salt Typhoon
Volt Typhoon
China
Afghanistan
Quantum Computing

A podcast focusing on the intersection between cybersecurity, national security, and geopolitics

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In our inaugural episode of Season 2, Ian L. Paterson sits down with Carey Frey, Chief Security Officer at TELUS, who leads security for one of Canada's largest telecommunications providers. Drawing on nearly two decades at the Communications Securit... more

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In this episode of Code and Country, Ian L. Paterson speaks with Craig Newmark, Craigslist founder and philanthropist, about his $200 million commitment to U.S. cybersecurity. Craig outlines his vision for "cyber civil defense"—a World War II-style m... more

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In this episode of Code and Country, Michael Daniel, President and CEO of the Cyber Threat Alliance and former White House Cybersecurity Coordinator, shares lessons from the frontlines of national cyber policy.

From shaping early government cyber bu... more

In this episode of Code and Country, Ian Paterson continues his conversation with Dmitri Alperovitch, CrowdStrike co-founder, Silverado Policy Accelerator executive chairman, and author of World on the Brink. Dmitri explains how China’s Volt Typhoon ... more

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Carey Frey
Chief Security Officer, Telus
Telus
Episode: Episode 21: Carey Frey, Chief Security Officer, Telus
Craig Newmark
Founder of Craigslist and philanthropist
Craig Newmark Philanthropies
Episode: Episode 20: Craig Newmark, Craigslist Founder and Philanthropist
Michael Daniel
President and CEO of the Cyber Threat Alliance
Cyber Threat Alliance
Episode: Ep: 19 Michael Daniel, President and CEO of the Cyber Threat Alliance
Dmitri Alperovitch
Co-founder of CrowdStrike; Executive Chairman of Silverado Policy Accelerator
CrowdStrike; Silverado Policy Accelerator
Episode: Ep. 17: Dmitri Alperovitch, Co-founder Crowdstrike Part 1
Ollie Whitehouse
Chief Technology Officer at the UK's National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC)
NCSC
Episode: Ep 16: Ollie Whitehouse, CTO NCSC
Katie Moussouris
Cybersecurity pioneer, founder of Luta Security
Luta Security
Episode: Ep 15: Katie Moussouris, CEO Luta Security
Robert Young Pelton
Canadian-American explorer, author and journalist known for conflict reporting from war zones
Author and journalist
Episode: Ep 14: Robert Young Pelton Author, Journalist, Explorer

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Ian L. Paterson
Host of Code and Country

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5.0 out of 5 stars from 19 ratings
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    Excellent show! Just the right mix of detail and high level stuff

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    Canada2 years ago

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Key themes from listener reviews, highlighting what works and what could be improved about the show.

Insightful guests and timely topics make complex cyber issues accessible.
Thoughtful, credible voices; high-quality discussions on governance and resilience.
Guests bring real-world experience across government, industry, and philanthropy.
Occasional heavy emphasis on geopolitics may feel dense for newcomers.
Strong balance of policy and technical depth with practical takeaways.

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Episode 20: Craig Newmark, Craigslist Founder and Philanthropist
Q: For the two and a half people out there who may not have heard about Craigslist, could you give us a little bit of the origin story?
Craig describes starting with a simple mailing list in 1995 while living in San Francisco, growing it into a real company by 1999, monetizing modestly, and eventually handing operational responsibilities to focus on philanthropy and public service.
Ep. 18: Dmitri Alperovitch, Co-founder Crowdstrike Part 2
Q: How should the US think about cyber in future warfare?
Cyber should be integrated with other tools (kinetic, electronic warfare, covert action) to achieve concrete objectives, with a shift from cyber deterrence by denial to deterrence by punishment due to cyber's limited ability to prevent all attacks.
Ep. 18: Dmitri Alperovitch, Co-founder Crowdstrike Part 2
Q: What makes the case for a looming Cold War with China the most compelling today?
Alperovitch argues that China's rapid advancement in key technologies and aggressive espionage campaigns require a strategic, long-term view, including preparing for a potential conflict over Taiwan and understanding the broader competition in the Indo-Pacific.
Episode 21: Carey Frey, Chief Security Officer, Telus
Q: What does collective defense look like in cyberspace, and what's working versus what isn't?
Frey argues that true collective defense requires ongoing, trust-based information sharing and a real-time common operating picture across sectors, but current incentives and legal/regulatory barriers impede full cooperation; he emphasizes that the private sector owns much of the critical infrastructure and thus must be part of the defense equation, with regulatory safe harbors being a necessary enabler.
Episode 21: Carey Frey, Chief Security Officer, Telus
Q: When you transitioned from the government to Telus, did your view of cyber risk change at an infrastructure scale?
Carey Frey explains that while his view of risk remained anchored in the waterfront of systems and dependencies, the move to the private sector broadened his focus to supply chain and third-party risk, highlighting how essential it is to consider external dependencies like telecoms, power grids, and software from diverse origins as part of a holistic risk posture.

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This show examines how cybersecurity, national security, and geopolitics intersect, with a steady stream of high-level interviews from government, industry, and civil society. Episodes frequently explore policy, incident response, threat intelligence sharing, and the practical implications of emerging tech on national resilience. Notable throughlines include cross-sector collaboration, responsible disclosure, philanthropy or civil initiatives in cyber defense, and the evolving balance between government strategy and private-sector incentives. Listeners can expect thoughtful conversations from senior security leaders, policy makers, and renowned experts who connect technical detail to broader strategic contexts. A standout trait is the show'... more

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4. Dmitri Alperovitch
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6. Katie Moussouris
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