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Change Signal: Modern Change Management that Works

Michael Bungay Stanier | Modern Change Management Practitioner
Change Management
Organizational Change
Leadership
Organizational Culture
Systems Thinking
Employee Engagement
Trust
Behavior Change
Agency
Resistance To Change
Organizational Transformation
Innovation
Decision Making
Transformational Change
Transformational Leadership
Behavioral Science
Change Leadership
Belonging
Strategy
Project Management

Change management is harder than ever. Organizations face more complexity, more uncertainty, and more pressure to deliver successful change than at any point in recent memory. Most leaders respond by pushing harder. Others search for the latest model, framework, or methodology and hope the tool will solve the problem. Neither guarantees change adoption. Successful change happens when people are re... more

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This Change Signal conversation with Aidan McCullen asks three practical questions for anyone leading change in a large organization:

• What if change isn’t an ... more

This Change Signal conversation with Alex M H Smith asks three sharp questions:

• What unique value does your change work create?

• Who actually cares about it?

• What are you brave enough to remove?

Alex is the author of No Bullsh*t Strat... more

Here are three questions from this Change Signal conversation:

• What if resistance is right?

• Where does change spread without permission?

• How close is your transformation work to customers and money?

In this episode, I talk with Clay P... more

Here are three questions from this Change Signal conversation with Greg Satell:

• What if change doesn’t move through hierarchy at all?

• What if silos are not the problem, but part of the solution?

• What if trying to persuade people is act... more

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Alex M. H. Smith
Author of No Bullshit Strategy
No Bullshit Strategy (book)
Episode: Your Change Strategy Isn't a Strategy| Alex M H Smith | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Clay Parker Jones
Author of Hidden Patterns, A Playbook for More Human Workplaces; co-founder of August; currently at Airbnb
August; Airbnb
Episode: Should Change Teams Disappear? | Clay Parker Jones | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Greg Satell
Author of Cascades, expert on modern change management
Author, Speaker, Advisor (Cascades)
Episode: How Change Really Travels | Greg Satell | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Jennifer Garvey Berger
Author and leadership thinker focusing on complexity and change
Episode: Why Stories Matter More| Jennifer Garvey Berger | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Anne Gotte
Senior change leader at Mondelēz
Mondelēz
Episode: Is Your Organization Change Allergic?| Anne Gotte | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Helen Bevan
A powerhouse in change and transformation, known for work in the NHS and the UK health care systems
NHS / UK Health Care System
Episode: What Really Moves/Changes a System| Helen Bevan| Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Cate Hall
Author, lawyer, poker player, biotech founder, CEO of a multi-billion private biotech foundation
Cate Hall (author)
Episode: How to Build Real Agency | Cate Hall | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Brian Evergreen
Former Microsoft executive, author of Autonomous Transformation
Author, Autonomous Transformation
Episode: How AI Changes Change Leadership | Brian Evergreen | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Jana Werner
Executive at Amazon Web Services, author of The Octopus Organization
Amazon Web Services
Episode: Is Your Change Too Big? | Jana Werner | Modern Change Management & Leading Change

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Michael Bungay Stanier
Host of Change Signal; long-time practitioner and author focused on practical change leadership.

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5.0 out of 5 stars from 123 ratings
  • Top tier

    This pod is one of my faves - so accessible, engaging and inspiring. I love having a listen as I walk my dog before work, I often come away with 1-2 key takeaways that help me to think about change and leadership, as well as feeling refreshed starting the work day. Thankyou!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Meeeeksy
    Australiaa month ago
  • Good questions

    This as well as a couple of other great podcasts have seen me through one of the biggest change projects to date. Thank you and keep up the good work!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Browns1378
    Netherlands2 months ago
  • Always great insights

    This podcast keeps on suprising me with new insights. It is a very intelligent podcast with good questions and experts who have a lot of experience and not only knowledge from research or repeating what others say

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    lizy speedy
    Netherlands3 months ago
  • The only constant is change ... thank goodness for MBS Change Signal

    I have been a fan of Michael Bungay Stanier's (MBS) work for many years. Having been involved with and subjected to change initiatives I was delighted when he rolled out the "Change Signal" podcast. I start my days quite early, go for 10,000 walks and listen when I walk. This morning (4/17/26) I listen to the two most recent that looked at the Kubler-Ross "change" model and AI. Great sessions that I will be sharing with friends and colleagues. I also appreciate that MBS keeps the podcast focuse... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    EJN4
    United States5 months ago
  • Cutting Through the Noise on Change

    Change Signal is a refreshing, no-BS take on what actually works in organizational change. Michael brings thoughtful, grounded conversations that go beyond theory and into real-world application. I appreciate how each episode leaves you with clearer thinking and practical insights you can immediately use, especially in a space that often feels overwhelming and overcomplicated.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Steph Kwong
    United States6 months ago

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Your Change Strategy Isn't a Strategy| Alex M H Smith | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Q: What's the difference between a change strategy that works and one that doesn't, and where does a good change idea come from?
A strong change idea must be highly charismatic, with a clear human face, a personal stake from the leader, and a defined direction that people can understand and believe in; vague briefs and generic goals fail to mobilize action. The best ideas emerge when leaders challenge the accepted norms and combine a sharp, specific plan with personal conviction to persuade others to adopt the change.
Should Change Teams Disappear? | Clay Parker Jones | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Q: Is there still a place for a change or transformation team within an organization?
There is a place, but it should be impermanent; the aim is to hand over the ability to transform to the people, so the organization can sustain change without a permanent central transformation function.
How Change Really Travels | Greg Satell | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Q: How should a change leader approach shared values and shared purpose when faced with pressure for numbers and rapid rollout?
Establish a genome of values first, then translate those values into concrete, measurable actions; prioritizing the customer and other core values helps resist political or tactical backsliding and keeps the transformation aligned with what truly matters to the organization.
How Change Really Travels | Greg Satell | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Q: Greg, what needs to be said that hasn't yet been said in this conversation about change leadership?
Think about the change before you start: is this really needed, and what can you safely stop doing to free capacity for the new initiative? Start by clarifying shared values and avoid overcommitting when the organization is already stressed; success relies on deliberate, smaller-scale wins rather than big, high-risk launches.
What Really Moves/Changes a System| Helen Bevan| Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Q: Helen, as someone who's been in this game for quite a while now, what's clearer to you now about change than it was five years ago?
Belonging and unbelonging are central to how change succeeds. Building a sense of belonging helps teams connect at a deep level, while managing unbelonging allows for smoother transitions between contexts, ultimately shaping more durable change outcomes.

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This show centers on practical, human-centered approaches to leading change in complex organizations. Conversations consistently focus on moving beyond top-down programs toward ongoing, people-first transformation—emphasizing psychological safety, agile experimentation, and social dynamics. Guests range from senior leaders and professors to practitioners who share actionable frameworks for shaping strategy, building readiness, and sustaining momentum through difficult transitions. A notable strength is grounding change theory in real-world implementation, with clear emphasis on outcomes like stakeholder engagement, adaptability, and measurable change effects. Listeners can expect concise episodes that translate complex concepts into repeata... more

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