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Change Signal: Modern Change Management that Works

Michael Bungay Stanier | Modern Change Management Practitioner
Change Management
Organizational Change
Leadership
Organizational Culture
Systems Thinking
Employee Engagement
Trust
Behavior Change
Resistance To Change
Organizational Transformation
Decision Making
Transformational Change
Innovation
Transformational Leadership
Behavioral Science
Change Leadership
Project Management
Subtraction In Change Management
Jugaad Innovation
Transformation

Change management is harder than ever. Organizations face more complexity, more uncertainty, and more pressure to deliver successful change than at any point in recent memory. Most leaders respond by pushing harder. Others search for the latest model, framework, or methodology and hope the tool will solve the problem. Neither guarantees change adoption. Successful change happens when people are re... more

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• What freedom are you not seeing yet?

• Where can you safely loosen control?

• When does agency become dangerous?

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Here are three questions from this Change Signal conversation:

• Are we chasing AI, or value?

• What future are we actually building?

• What would have to be true to get there?

In this episode, I talk with Brian Evergreen, author of Autonom... more

Here are three questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation:

• What intelligence are you wasting?

• Who really owns the change?

• What needs to go first?

In this episode, I talk with Jana Werner about why so much change managem... more

Here are three questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation:

• Who gave you permission to lead?

• What if 25 percent is enough?

• Where have you become the hub?

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Brian Evergreen
Former Microsoft executive, author of Autonomous Transformation
Author, Autonomous Transformation
Episode: How AI Changes Change Leadership | Brian Evergreen | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Jana Werner
Executive at Amazon Web Services, author of The Octopus Organization
Amazon Web Services
Episode: Is Your Change Too Big? | Jana Werner | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Alex Budak
Faculty at UC Berkeley's Haas School of Business; social entrepreneur; author
UC Berkeley Haas School of Business
Episode: Leading Change Without Permission | Alex Budak | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Peter Schein
Co-author with Ed Schein; expert in organizational culture and leadership
Organizational Culture and Leadership Institute (OCLI)
Episode: Clarity>Certainty. Context>Content | Peter Schein | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Kate O'Neill
Tech humanist, author
KO Insights
Episode: Two Types of Change Harm | Kate O'Neill | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Roger Martin
Former dean of Rotman and author
University of Toronto Rotman School of Management; author
Episode: How to Make Change Real | Roger Martin | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
BJ Fogg
Founder of the Behavior Design Lab at Stanford University
Stanford University
Episode: Designing Behavior Change That Sticks | BJ Fogg | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Tiziana Casciaro
Professor and co-author of Power for All
Rotman School of Management, University of Toronto
Episode: Power Mapping for Change Practitioners & Leaders | Tiziana Casciaro | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Daniel Stillman
Author of Good Talk, How to Design Conversations That Matter
Author, Speaker
Episode: Conversations: The Atomic Unit of Change | Daniel Stillman | Modern Change Management & Leading Change

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Michael Bungay Stanier
Host of Change Signal

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 121 ratings
  • Always great insights

    This podcast keeps on suprising me with new insights. It is a very intelligent podcast with good questions and experts who have a lot of experience and not only knowledge from research or repeating what others say

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    lizy speedy
    Netherlands2 months ago
  • The only constant is change ... thank goodness for MBS Change Signal

    I have been a fan of Michael Bungay Stanier's (MBS) work for many years. Having been involved with and subjected to change initiatives I was delighted when he rolled out the "Change Signal" podcast. I start my days quite early, go for 10,000 walks and listen when I walk. This morning (4/17/26) I listen to the two most recent that looked at the Kubler-Ross "change" model and AI. Great sessions that I will be sharing with friends and colleagues. I also appreciate that MBS keeps the podcast focuse... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    EJN4
    United States4 months ago
  • Cutting Through the Noise on Change

    Change Signal is a refreshing, no-BS take on what actually works in organizational change. Michael brings thoughtful, grounded conversations that go beyond theory and into real-world application. I appreciate how each episode leaves you with clearer thinking and practical insights you can immediately use, especially in a space that often feels overwhelming and overcomplicated.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Steph Kwong
    United States5 months ago
  • Single best resource on leading change

    I have been leading change projects in K12 schools for nearly three decades. I’ve spent the last 15 years in particular obsessing over how change happens in schools. This podcast is—BY FAR—the single best resource I have found.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    cmtregis
    United States6 months ago
  • Succinct and Spot On

    This is my favourite leadership podcast, and not just for leading change. It offers a goldmine of strategies for leading people. Each episode is punchy, gets to the heart of things without waffle and there is always a way I can follow up if I want to dive deeper. Change Signal informs much of my professional reading and is a great companion to Michael’s newsletter.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    CNocka
    Australia6 months ago

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The host fosters curious, human-centered conversations that cut through the noise.
Guests bring real-world experience and actionable insights, not theory.
Change Signal delivers practical, no-nonsense guidance for leading change.

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How AI Changes Change Leadership | Brian Evergreen | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Q: How should a CEO approach moving toward an AI-enabled future without losing sight of the broader strategy?
Don't start with AI or systems thinking as the starting point; start with a clearly articulated vision, make the strategy visible, and align efforts around what needs to be true to achieve the vision, while treating human learning as a core enabler.
How AI Changes Change Leadership | Brian Evergreen | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Q: Teach me how to set a clear vision. How would you coach me on that?
Start by getting out of the normal context to unleash creative energy, then define a few core ideas and map them using a framework like a nidrant to plot what is achievable vs. bold, and finally ensure the vision is clearly articulated and compelling.
Is Your Change Too Big? | Jana Werner | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Q: Where should a change leader start when the system feels too big to move?
Start with two to three focused initiatives, create a clear sense of purpose, involve those closest to the work, and build a coalition; avoid overloading the organization with large, one-off transformations and instead use small, testable changes that accumulate.
Is Your Change Too Big? | Jana Werner | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Q: What most frustrates you about the old school approach to change and transformation?
Jana explains that top-down, imposed changes ignore the intelligence and desires of people in the organization, dehumanize the workforce, and destroy trust and engagement; she emphasizes shifting to change with people rather than to people.
Clarity>Certainty. Context>Content | Peter Schein | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Q: How can leaders start to implement deeper relationships in a work context?
Begin with relationship mapping to identify where to invest time—moving from transactional level one to more meaningful level two relationships, and eventually toward intimate level three connections where appropriate.

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A sharp, practitioner-focused show about leading organizational change in a rapidly evolving world. Across episodes, guests explore emergent, human-centered approaches to transformation, from systems thinking and belonging to storytelling, governance, and the role of AI in change leadership. The conversations mix theory with practical frameworks, enabling leaders to act with clarity in VUCA environments, design effective interventions, and cultivate agency within teams. A standout trait is the emphasis on concrete behaviors, experiments, and small, scalable moves that compound over time, often grounded in real-world examples from large companies and public services alike.

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