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Change Signal: Modern Change Management that Works

Michael Bungay Stanier | Modern Change Management Practitioner
Change Management
Organizational Change
Leadership
Organizational Culture
Systems Thinking
Employee Engagement
Trust
Behavior Change
Resistance To Change
Organizational Transformation
Decision Making
Innovation
Transformational Change
Transformational Leadership
Behavioral Science
Change Leadership
Project Management
Subtraction In Change Management
Jugaad Innovation
Transformation

Change management is harder than ever. Organizations face more complexity, more uncertainty, and more pressure to deliver successful change than at any point in recent memory. Most leaders respond by pushing harder. Others search for the latest model, framework, or methodology and hope the tool will solve the problem. Neither guarantees change adoption. Successful change happens when people are re... more

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Here are three questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation:

• What intelligence are you wasting?

• Who really owns the change?

• What needs to go first?

In this episode, I talk with Jana Werner about why so much change managem... more

Here are three questions that arise from this Change Signal conversation:

• Who gave you permission to lead?

• What if 25 percent is enough?

• Where have you become the hub?

In this episode, I talk with Alex Budak, UC Berkeley faculty membe... more

This Change Signal conversation with Peter Schein asks three questions:

• What doesn’t your change plan know?

• Where is context quietly defeating content?

• Are we building systems so perfect that people no longer need to be good?

Peter, co-auth... more

Three questions sit at the heart of this conversation:

• Are you starting with the technology, or the purpose?• What harm are you creating by moving too fast — or too slowly?• Have you designed the change people actually experience?

Kate O’Neill is... more

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Recent Guests

Kate O'Neill
Tech humanist, author
KO Insights
Episode: Two Types of Change Harm | Kate O'Neill | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Roger Martin
Former dean of Rotman and author
University of Toronto Rotman School of Management; author
Episode: How to Make Change Real | Roger Martin | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
BJ Fogg
Founder of the Behavior Design Lab at Stanford University
Stanford University
Episode: Designing Behavior Change That Sticks | BJ Fogg | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Tiziana Casciaro
Professor and co-author of Power for All
Rotman School of Management, University of Toronto
Episode: Power Mapping for Change Practitioners & Leaders | Tiziana Casciaro | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Daniel Stillman
Author of Good Talk, How to Design Conversations That Matter
Author, Speaker
Episode: Conversations: The Atomic Unit of Change | Daniel Stillman | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Siobhán McHale
Author and culture change expert
The Hive Mind / Culture Change consultant
Episode: Map Your Culture’s Hidden System | Siobhán McHale | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Ron Carucci
Founder/Leader of Nevolent; author and expert on organizational change
Nvolent (Nevolent)
Episode: How Your Origin Story Runs Your Change Program | Ron Carucci | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Caroline Kealey
Executive facilitator and trainer focused on change and leadership and communications
Results Map
Episode: Just How Dead is Change Management? | Caroline Kealey | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Jeremy Bentham
Contemporary strategist and leading figure in scenario planning
Shell (former head of scenario planning)
Episode: The OG of Scenario Planning for Change Management | Jeremy Bentham | Modern Change Management & Leading Change

Host

Michael Bungay Stanier
Host of Change Signal

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 119 ratings
  • Always great insights

    This podcast keeps on suprising me with new insights. It is a very intelligent podcast with good questions and experts who have a lot of experience and not only knowledge from research or repeating what others say

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    lizy speedy
    Netherlandsa month ago
  • The only constant is change ... thank goodness for MBS Change Signal

    I have been a fan of Michael Bungay Stanier's (MBS) work for many years. Having been involved with and subjected to change initiatives I was delighted when he rolled out the "Change Signal" podcast. I start my days quite early, go for 10,000 walks and listen when I walk. This morning (4/17/26) I listen to the two most recent that looked at the Kubler-Ross "change" model and AI. Great sessions that I will be sharing with friends and colleagues. I also appreciate that MBS keeps the podcast focuse... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    EJN4
    United States3 months ago
  • Cutting Through the Noise on Change

    Change Signal is a refreshing, no-BS take on what actually works in organizational change. Michael brings thoughtful, grounded conversations that go beyond theory and into real-world application. I appreciate how each episode leaves you with clearer thinking and practical insights you can immediately use, especially in a space that often feels overwhelming and overcomplicated.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Steph Kwong
    United States4 months ago
  • Single best resource on leading change

    I have been leading change projects in K12 schools for nearly three decades. I’ve spent the last 15 years in particular obsessing over how change happens in schools. This podcast is—BY FAR—the single best resource I have found.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    cmtregis
    United States5 months ago
  • Succinct and Spot On

    This is my favourite leadership podcast, and not just for leading change. It offers a goldmine of strategies for leading people. Each episode is punchy, gets to the heart of things without waffle and there is always a way I can follow up if I want to dive deeper. Change Signal informs much of my professional reading and is a great companion to Michael’s newsletter.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    CNocka
    Australia5 months ago

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The host fosters curious, human-centered conversations that cut through the noise.
Guests bring real-world experience and actionable insights, not theory.
Change Signal delivers practical, no-nonsense guidance for leading change.

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Two Types of Change Harm | Kate O'Neill | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Q: What role does empathy play in successful change?
Empathy involves anticipating how changes impact people, communicating transparently, and helping individuals adapt by redefining roles and providing support, which reduces resistance and preserves trust during transitions.
Two Types of Change Harm | Kate O'Neill | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Q: How should leaders think about balance between pace and risk in transformation?
Leaders should articulate a clear operating purpose, acknowledge harms of action and inaction, and use a Now-Next Continuum approach to balance speed with the need to understand consequences, adopting iterative experiments rather than rushing to a single definitive plan.
Two Types of Change Harm | Kate O'Neill | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Q: Kate, where do leaders go wrong in decision making?
Many leaders start with technology or AI considerations instead of grounding decisions in the organization's purpose, culture, and brand, and they overlook how data and experiences across touchpoints should inform what tech to deploy.
Designing Behavior Change That Sticks | BJ Fogg | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Q: How do you decide which behavior to target first in an organization?
Identify overlap between what the organization needs and what people are willing and able to do, ensuring the behavior aligns with important aspirations and is feasible within the existing context.
Designing Behavior Change That Sticks | BJ Fogg | Modern Change Management & Leading Change
Q: What is the most common mistake people make when starting a behavior-change initiative at scale?
They over-rely on willpower and ignore how motivation fluctuates and how the environment and prompts can be redesigned to make the desired behavior easier and more likely to happen.

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A sharp, practitioner-focused show about leading organizational change in a rapidly evolving world. Across episodes, guests explore emergent, human-centered approaches to transformation, from systems thinking and belonging to storytelling, governance, and the role of AI in change leadership. The conversations mix theory with practical frameworks, enabling leaders to act with clarity in VUCA environments, design effective interventions, and cultivate agency within teams. A standout trait is the emphasis on concrete behaviors, experiments, and small, scalable moves that compound over time, often grounded in real-world examples from large companies and public services alike.

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