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BE THAT LAWYER

Steve Fretzin
Business Development
Networking
Legal Marketing
Marketing
Client Relationships
Time Management
Artificial Intelligence
Marketing Strategies
Law Firms
Legal Industry
Branding
Personal Branding
Podcasting
Delegation
Legal Technology
Law Firm Management
Content Marketing
Work-Life Balance
Entrepreneurship
Law Practice Management

BE THAT LAWYER is for attorneys who want more freedom, enjoyment and most importantly, control in their career. Topics will include business development, marketing, branding, technology, and law firm growth. The goal is to educate, entertain and share best practices related to these topics, so that you, the listener can get real value. This is primarily an interview show with great guests (attorne... more

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When in-house counsel are “hair on fire” busy and severely resource constrained, why should they choose you as outside counsel? In this episode, you’ll hear a former GC and big‑law partner break down exactly how to become the trusted, go‑to lawyer th... more

Stop wasting billable hours on admin work. In this episode, you’ll learn how to identify hidden bottlenecks in your firm and turn them into reliable automations that save you hours every week—without tripping over AI ethics or security rules.

In thi... more

How did a young partner go from “no plan, no book” to doubling his business year over year—without ever feeling like a salesperson? In this episode, you’ll hear how deliberate preparation, mentors, and genuine relationships can transform a legal care... more

High-performing lawyers are drowning in billable hours, perfectionism, and constant interruptions—but it doesn’t have to be that way. In this episode, you’ll learn practical strategies to delegate better, protect your time, and manage stress so you c... more

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Recent Guests

Chaka Patterson
CEO and founder of Chaka Strategy
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Episode: Chaka Patterson: How Outside Counsel Can Win (and Keep) In‑House Clients
Jeff Arnold
President and Founder of 4Spot Consulting
4Spot Consulting
Episode: Jeff Arnold: Automating the Admin Chaos Holding Law Firms Back
Alex Karasik
Partner at Duane Morris, Chicago; Chair of the Employment Law Group and AI Task Force
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Episode: Alex Karasik: From Zero Clients to Rainmaker Through Relentless Preparation
Ellen Cohen
Coach at EBC Coaching and Consulting
EBC Coaching and Consulting
Episode: Ellen Cohen: How High‑Performing Lawyers Can 10x Their Impact Without 10x the Hours
Lauren Paxton
Founder of Paxton Coaching and Consulting; executive coach for lawyers
Paxton Coaching and Consulting
Episode: Lauren Paxton: Escaping the “Friend Zone” and Building a Real Book of Business
Chris White
President of Navigate Legal Search, former practicing attorney
Navigate Legal Search
Episode: Chris White: How Legal Associates Become Truly “Recruitable”
Wendy Meadows
Coach working with lawyers to beat burnout and build solo or healthier careers
Independent coach for lawyers
Episode: Wendy Meadows: Forever Is Composed of Nows – Beating Burnout and Redesigning Your Legal Career
Cooper Saunders
Owner of WiseGuys Digital Marketing
WiseGuys Digital Marketing
Episode: Cooper Saunders: Turning Law Firm Marketing Into Measurable Revenue
Fiona Stevenson
Associate Marketing Director at LEX Reception
LEX Reception
Episode: Fiona Stevenson: How Law Firms Can Win Clients in the First 2% of the Experience

Host

Steve Fretzin
Host of Be That Lawyer

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 92 ratings
  • Incredible Podcast

    Steve is not only talented in the way he supports lawyers with their business growth, he is also an excellent interviewer. This podcast brings powerful guests who share their incredible insights, help lawyers develop, grow and to be their best selves. I highly recommend this podcast

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    GaryMiles1
    United States5 months ago
  • Invaluable Resource

    As someone who works closely with attorneys on the human and organizational side of performance, I find Be That Lawyer to be an invaluable resource. Steve Fretzin brings practical, tactical insight into what it really takes to build a thriving practice—while also addressing the personal growth and mindset work that sustain long-term success. His conversations help lawyers not only elevate their business development skills, but also protect their well-being and relationships in the process. A mus... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    rachboom
    United States9 months ago
  • Value-packed podcast

    Be That Lawyer with Steve Fretzin is a powerful resource for professionals serious about growth. Steve has a talent for drawing out practical, actionable strategies from his guests—covering everything from business development to building sustainable systems. Each episode leaves you with clear takeaways you can put into practice right away. Highly recommend for lawyers and entrepreneurs alike.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Ral W
    United States10 months ago
  • A Human Approach to Business Development

    Steve's approach to business development is human and practical. It's one that lawyers can fold into their lives to enhance their lives and work. This shines through in the podcast. Listen on for inspiration and practical tips.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Kylitigator
    United Statesa year ago
  • Steve’s show is a masterclass!

    Lawyers not understanding business is a well-worn cliche. Steve helps us grow beyond the limitations of our law school training by identifying and distilling the important business lessons from his guests’ professional journeys.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Tim Semelroth
    United States2 years ago

Listeners Say

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Great guest lineup and compelling stories about growth and ethics in marketing for lawyers.
Listeners frequently praise the mix of strategy and personal development.
Concise, practical leadership advice you can apply next week.
Strong producer-read sponsorships that feel relevant to practitioners.
Thoughtful host who asks insightful questions and surfaces actionable takeaways.

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Wendy Meadows: Forever Is Composed of Nows – Beating Burnout and Redesigning Your Legal Career
Q: What are some things that would help improve performance and happiness for overwhelmed lawyers?
Start with a morning intention to determine what would make the day great, decide who you want to be in that moment, and use this self-portrait to guide actions and reduce burnout; also address wellness components like exercise and journaling to maintain momentum.
Cooper Saunders: Turning Law Firm Marketing Into Measurable Revenue
Q: How do you determine the right target markets for a law firm?
He discusses using goal-driven market research, keyword planning, and considering suburbs or less saturated markets to dominate with lower competition, followed by content tailored to those audiences.
Cooper Saunders: Turning Law Firm Marketing Into Measurable Revenue
Q: What initially drew you to focus on lawyers and legal marketing?
Cooper explains how lawyers experience a lot of bad digital marketing and how his approach centers on revenue outcomes and honest, performance-based results rather than mere clicks or vanity metrics.
Sylvia Garibaldi: Turning Complex Legal Services into Clear, Client‑Winning Marketing
Q: How should lawyers handle feedback and iteration instead of chasing more content?
Focus on testing and refining your approach with systems and processes; measure show-up and engagement, adjust reminders and outreach, and keep improving rather than simply increasing output.
Sylvia Garibaldi: Turning Complex Legal Services into Clear, Client‑Winning Marketing
Q: What specific tactics do you recommend for building strong referral partnerships?
Create a marketing asset that referral partners can use, implement a consistent webinar program to demonstrate expertise, and use LinkedIn DMs to initiate relationship-building rather than selling, eventually moving offline for actual meetings.

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Frequently Asked Questions About BE THAT LAWYER

What is BE THAT LAWYER about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show focuses on growing and managing a modern law practice through practical BD, marketing, branding, and scalable systems. Across episodes, listeners hear stories from solo practitioners, law firm leaders, and legal-marketing experts who share concrete steps for client development, pricing, delegation, and leveraging technology like AI to improve efficiency. Guests frequently discuss community-building, content strategy, subscription pricing, and high-leverage routines that reduce burnout while driving sustainable growth. The format leans into human-centered business advice, actionable frameworks, and real-world pivots, making it valuable for attorneys and legal marketers aiming to build more freedom, impact, and profitability in thei... more

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2. Jeff Arnold
3. Alex Karasik
4. Ellen Cohen
5. Lauren Paxton
6. Chris White
7. Wendy Meadows
8. Cooper Saunders

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