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Loper Bright Enterprises V. Raimondo
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Major Questions Doctrine

The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Administrative State, at George Mason University’s Antonin Scalia Law School, supports research and debate on the modern administrative state, and the constitutional issues surrounding it. In this podcast, we’ll discuss some of the questions being debated around modern administration — some new questions, some timeless ones. And you can also get the audio from Gra... more

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Jace Lington chats with University of Michigan Law Professor Christopher J. Walker about how to reinvigorate Congress in light of the changing administrative law landscape. They discuss his recent article, Congress and the Shifting Sands in Administr... more

Jace Lington chats with former Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice Daniel Kelly about what the Constitution says regarding who may exercise the judicial power. They discuss his new Gray Center policy brief, Jarkesy and the End of Political Adjudication, ... more

Adam White and Jace Lington chat with Beau J. Baumann about his historical research into the Offices of Legislative Counsel. They discuss his forthcoming paper, Resurrecting the Trinity of Legislative Constitutionalism, and how Progressive reformers ... more

Jace Lington chats with Jenn Mascott about Judge Aileen Cannon's decision to dismiss the classified documents case against Donald Trump. They discuss the Appointments Clause and the broader context of the debate surrounding the special counsel invest... more

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Recent Guests

Christopher J. Walker
Professor and author of a paper on Congress and Administrative Law
Episode: Christopher J. Walker on Congress and the Shifting Sands in Administrative Law
Daniel Kelly
Former Justice of the Wisconsin Supreme Court, Senior Litigation Counsel for the New Civil Liberties Alliance
New Civil Liberties Alliance
Episode: Daniel Kelly on Jarkesy and the End of Political Adjudication
Beau Baumann
Author and Research Fellow at Yale and an expert on legislative history.
Yale Law School
Episode: Beau Baumann on the History of Legislative Constitutionalism
Jennifer Mascott
Director of the Separation of Powers Institute at the Catholic University of America's Columbus School of Law, former co-executive director of the Gray Center.
Separation of Powers Institute
Episode: Jennifer Mascott on the Appointments Clause and Special Counsel Jack Smith
Paul J. Ray
Director of the Thomas A. Rowe Institute for Economic Policy Studies at the Heritage Foundation and former Administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs
Heritage Foundation
Episode: Paul Ray's Critique of the Expertise Rationale for Chevron Deference
Jed Handelsman Shugerman
Boston University Law Professor and author of an article analyzing student loan cases
Boston University Law School
Episode: Jed Shugerman's Major Questions About Emergency Powers and Standing
Michael D. Ramsey
Law professor at the University of San Diego
University of San Diego
Episode: Michael Ramsey’s Originalist Defense of the Major Questions Doctrine
Ronald A. Cass
Dean Emeritus of the Boston University School of Law and President of Cass & Associates
Cass & Associates
Episode: Fixing Deference with Ronald A. Cass
Jelena McWilliams
Former chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
Cravath Swaine & Moore LLP
Episode: The Future of Financial Regulation: Keynote Conversation with Jelena McWilliams

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Jace Lington
Host and Research Director at the C. Boyden Gray Center for the Administrative State, with a focus on administrative law and constitutional issues.
Adam White
Co-Executive Director of the Gray Center and known for his work on the intersections of law, policy, and administration.

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    Panel discussions on policy matters. If you want extremely detailed wonkery, this is the place to get it.

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Chevron on Trial Panel 1: Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo
Q: What is your strongest argument against the bias argument regarding Chevron Deference?
There are other instances of deference that do not invoke bias, and in certain areas, like habeas, courts are required to abide by state interpretations of federal law.
Chevron on Trial Panel 1: Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo
Q: What exactly is the complication that is unique to the interpretations of agency action versus mind run of statutory construction?
Judges are not equipped to resolve conflicting interpretations of statutes effectively without risking inconsistencies across courts.
Chevron on Trial Panel 2: Is Chevron Inevitable? What Should Replace It?
Q: Is this a Chevron case or is it really a State Farm case?
The panel discussed the importance of distinguishing between Chevron and State Farm cases in statutory interpretation.
Chevron on Trial Keynote: Paul J. Ray on the Expertise Rationale for Chevron Deference and a Fireside Chat with Jennifer Mascott
Q: Was the Chevron Deference doctrine a reality for you and your team in reviewing regulations?
Yes, Chevron shaped the regulatory process significantly, influencing how regulations were drafted and the legal perspectives that shaped them.
Chevron on Trial Keynote: Paul J. Ray on the Expertise Rationale for Chevron Deference and a Fireside Chat with Jennifer Mascott
Q: What are the various justices' views and how realistic is it that they might revisit Chevron?
Justice Thomas has been talking about Chevron deference potentially needing to go by the wayside, while Justice Gorsuch has expressed interest in reexamining it. Justice Kavanaugh's past writings suggest he may have concerns about the doctrine as well.

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The content centers on discussions regarding the complexities of the modern administrative state and its constitutional implications. With a focus on topics such as administrative law, separation of powers, and the historical context of legislative procedures, episodes include in-depth analyses of contemporary legal challenges involving executive power and regulatory processes. Listeners can anticipate engaging discussions that not only provide historical insights but also explore current issues ranging from financial regulation to environmental law, emphasizing the significant impact of the administrative state on governance and public policy. Notably, the podcast combines perspectives from legal experts, ensuring that debates are well-inf... more

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