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The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Administrative State, at George Mason University’s Antonin Scalia Law School, supports research and debate on the modern administrative state, and the constitutional issues surrounding it. In this podcast, we’ll discuss some of the questions being debated around modern administration — some new questions, some timeless ones. And you can also get the audio from Gra... more

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The first panel discussion from the Gray Center's Fall 2025 conference featuring:

* James Burnham, King Street Legal, and formerly of the U.S. Department of Government Efficiency

* Susan Dudley, former Administrator, White House Office of Inform... more

Jace Lington and Bennett Nuss chat with Caroline Cecot about how recent changes in the EPA's analytical methods affect transparency and environmental protection. She discusses the evolution of cost-benefit analysis from a deregulatory tool to a frame... more

Jace Lington and Bennett Nuss chat with Adam White about the recent Supreme Court case, exploring the nuances of statutory interpretation, the major questions doctrine, and the implications for executive and legislative powers. The Gray Center team a... more

Jace Lington and Bennett Nuss chat with Patrick A. McLaughlin about The Nondelegation Project at the Pacific Legal Foundation, which analyzes compliance with the nondelegation doctrine using AI and machine learning. He highlights the significant numb... more

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Recent Guests

Caroline Cecot
Law professor at George Washington University; former president of the Society for Benefit-Cost Analysis
George Washington University Law School
Episode: Caroline Cecot on EPA Changes to Cost-Benefit Analysis
Patrick McLaughlin
Research fellow at the Hoover Institution and visiting research fellow at the Pacific Legal Foundation
Pacific Legal Foundation
Episode: Patrick McLaughlin on PLF’s Nondelegation Project
Ronald J. Pestritto
Senior Fellow at the Claremont Institute and Graduate Dean and Professor of Politics at Hillsdale College
Claremont Institute
Episode: Ronald J. Pestritto on Government by the Unelected
Eli Nachmany
Associate at Covington & Burling and current president of the DC Young Lawyers Chapter for the Federalist Society
Covington & Burling
Episode: Eli Nachmany on the Stare Decisis Effects of Loper Bright 1
Tanner Jones
CEO of Vulcan Technologies
Vulcan Technologies
Episode: Tanner Jones on How Vulcan Technologies Uses AI to Revolutionize Regulation
John Vecchione
Senior Litigation Council at the New Civil Liberties Alliance
New Civil Liberties Alliance
Episode: John Vecchione on What the Constitution Says About Presidents and Tariffs
Christopher J. Walker
Professor and author of a paper on Congress and Administrative Law
Episode: Christopher J. Walker on Congress and the Shifting Sands in Administrative Law
Daniel Kelly
Former Justice of the Wisconsin Supreme Court, Senior Litigation Counsel for the New Civil Liberties Alliance
New Civil Liberties Alliance
Episode: Daniel Kelly on Jarkesy and the End of Political Adjudication
Beau Baumann
Author and Research Fellow at Yale and an expert on legislative history.
Yale Law School
Episode: Beau Baumann on the History of Legislative Constitutionalism

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Jace Lington
Policy and Strategy Director at the Gray Center. He frequently hosts episodes discussing various administrative and regulatory topics in depth.

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5.0 out of 5 stars from 18 ratings
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    Panel discussions on policy matters. If you want extremely detailed wonkery, this is the place to get it.

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Patrick McLaughlin on PLF’s Nondelegation Project
Q: Can you talk about the recent technological changes that have made this project possible?
Recent advancements in AI, specifically LLMs, have facilitated the extraction of nuanced information from complex regulatory texts.
Patrick McLaughlin on PLF’s Nondelegation Project
Q: How did you get started with all this?
I wanted to dig into a question of nondelegation regarding federal regulations, assessing if they violate the nondelegation principle using machine learning.
Reeve Bull on Achieving Regulatory Reform in Virginia
Q: So can you talk about how those translate into tangible benefits for people?
The savings translated into significant reductions in costs for building houses and occupations, with $24,000 cut off the construction costs of new homes and $200-$300 million saved from occupational licensing changes.
Reeve Bull on Achieving Regulatory Reform in Virginia
Q: Can you say a little bit more about that?
A very important piece in Virginia was to ensure that agencies moved regulatory requirements out of guidance documents, allowing only true guidance without substantive requirements.
Reeve Bull on Achieving Regulatory Reform in Virginia
Q: Can you talk about that and then how the Youngkin administration built on that from there?
In 2018, a bipartisan bill was passed to create an inventory of regulatory requirements and tasked two agencies with reducing those requirements by 25 percent, which the Youngkin administration later built upon to apply a 25 percent streamlining goal across all agencies.

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Focused on the complexities of the modern administrative state, this podcast engages in discussions surrounding governance, constitutional issues, and regulatory reform. Episodes frequently feature experts analyzing recent legal developments, offering insights into administrative policies, judicial decision-making, and the broader implications for governance in the context of historical and contemporary challenges. The unique appeal lies in its blend of academic rigor and practical implications, aiming to clarify complex legal matters and provide listeners with a nuanced understanding of the intersection between law and administration. It serves as a valuable resource for policymakers, legal practitioners, and anyone interested in the intri... more

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