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The C. Boyden Gray Center for the Administrative State, at George Mason University’s Antonin Scalia Law School, supports research and debate on the modern administrative state, and the constitutional issues surrounding it. In this podcast, we’ll discuss some of the questions being debated around modern administration — some new questions, some timeless ones. And you can also get the audio from Gra... more

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Jace Lington and Bennett Nuss talk with NCLA President and Chief Legal Officer Mark Chenoweth about the evolving landscape of injunctions in the legal system, particularly in light of recent cases likeTrump v. CASA. They explore the definition and fu... more

Adam White, Jace Lington, and Bennett Nuss analyze the recent Supreme Court decisions in Trump v. Slaughter and Trump v. Cook, focusing on the implications for executive power, administrative agency independence, and the future of administrative law.... more

Adam White hosts Chief Judge Susan G. Braden (Ret.) to discuss the Supreme Court’s decision in Trump v. Slaughter, which held the Federal Trade Commission’s statutory independence unconstitutional and explicitly overruled Humphrey’s Executor. Braden ... more

In this first panel from the Gray Center’s May conference, moderator Christopher J. Walker (University of Michigan) speaks with Megan Brown (Wiley Rein LLP), Roman Martinez (Latham & Watkins LLP), and Maria Monaghan (U.S. Chamber Litigation Center) a... more

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Recent Guests

Mark Chenoweth
President of the New Civil Liberties Alliance
New Civil Liberties Alliance
Episode: NCLA's Mark Chenoweth on the State of Injunctive Relief
Susan G. Braden
Chief Judge, U.S. Court of Federal Claims (former); long-time public service at the Federal Trade Commission
U.S. Court of Federal Claims; Gray Center Advisory Council
Episode: Quo Vadis—Federal Trade Commission? Chief Judge Susan Braden on the Future of the FTC after Slaughter
Megan Brown
Attorney at Wiley Rein
Wiley Rein
Episode: What Are the Post-Chevron Courts Doing? (Notice & Comment May 2026 Conference Panel 1)
Roman Martinez
Attorney at Latham & Watkins
Latham & Watkins
Episode: What Are the Post-Chevron Courts Doing? (Notice & Comment May 2026 Conference Panel 1)
Maria Monaghan
Attorney, U.S. Chamber Litigation Center
U.S. Chamber Litigation Center
Episode: What Are the Post-Chevron Courts Doing? (Notice & Comment May 2026 Conference Panel 1)
Aaron Nielsen
Professor of Law at UT Austin and Senior Fellow at the Civitas Institute
University of Texas at Austin
Episode: Judging After Loper Bright
Noah Phillips
Lawyer in private practice at Cravath, Swain & Moore; former FTC Commissioner
Cravath, Swain & Moore; FTC
Episode: Antitrust Policy in a Populist Era
Matt Stoller
Director of Research at the American Economic Liberties Project; writes The Big Newsletter
American Economic Liberties Project
Episode: Antitrust Policy in a Populist Era
Chad Squitieri
Law professor; Director of the Separation of Powers Institute; Managing Director of the Center for the Constitution and the Catholic Intellectual Tradition
Catholic University of America; Center for the Constitution and the Catholic Intellectual Tradition
Episode: Chad Squitieri on the President's Role in Lawmaking

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Jace Lington
Policy and Strategy Director at The C. Boyden Gray Center; host of the show, with focus on administrative state analysis.
Adam White
Host and executive director involved in discussions on administrative law and center policy.
Bennett Nuss
Executive guest/host with expertise in constitutional and administrative law.

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5.0 out of 5 stars from 18 ratings
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    Panel discussions on policy matters. If you want extremely detailed wonkery, this is the place to get it.

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    Sebastian Fjori
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NCLA's Mark Chenoweth on the State of Injunctive Relief
Q: How does the APA interact with these injunctions and what is the future of complete relief?
APA Section 706 allows district courts to set aside unlawful agency rules for the nation, establishing a backstop for the administrative state; the future direction depends on how the Court interprets complete relief and whether broader remedies are necessary to provide full relief.
NCLA's Mark Chenoweth on the State of Injunctive Relief
Q: What are injunctions, and how did CASA change their use?
Injunctions are early-litigation tools to preserve the status quo; CASA restricted when district judges can issue universal or nationwide injunctions, forcing closer scrutiny of whether such relief is appropriate for the entire country.
Quo Vadis—Federal Trade Commission? Chief Judge Susan Braden on the Future of the FTC after Slaughter
Q: How might this affect the FTC's day-to-day operations?
She predicts the agency could face reduced independence, increased scrutiny, and possible consolidation of antitrust functions with DOJ, leading to a shift in enforcement posture and procedural priorities in the near term.
Quo Vadis—Federal Trade Commission? Chief Judge Susan Braden on the Future of the FTC after Slaughter
Q: What's your reaction to the Slaughter decision?
Braden views Slaughter as a pivotal ruling with broad implications for executive power and agency structure, emphasizing that it signals a move toward treating agencies as more tightly integrated with the executive branch and potentially limiting independent adjudicative authority.
Patrick McLaughlin on PLF’s Nondelegation Project
Q: Can you talk about the recent technological changes that have made this project possible?
Recent advancements in AI, specifically LLMs, have facilitated the extraction of nuanced information from complex regulatory texts.

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Long-form discussions around the modern administrative state, focusing on how Supreme Court decisions and congressional delegations reshape the balance of power between the presidency, federal agencies, and courts. Episodes repeatedly unpack issues like agency independence, non-delegation, major questions doctrine, and the evolving role of enforcement discretion, often tying doctrinal debates to practical governance, staffing, and rulemaking. Notable is the consistent emphasis on legal interpretation, constitutional structure, and the practical implications for agencies such as the FTC and the Federal Reserve, with frequent panel-style dialogue among scholars, practitioners, and policy analysts. A strength is the rigorous, wonk-friendly tre... more

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