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World's Toughest Job

Foreign Policy
United Nations
Climate Change
Security Council
Africa
Artificial Intelligence
Undersea Cables
General Assembly
Maritime Security
Strait Of Hormuz
World Food Programme
Montreal Protocol
Development
Cuban Missile Crisis
Debt Governance
Global Governance
Kofi Annan
Paris Agreement
Nuclear Weapons
Private Sector
COP30

The United Nations secretary-general has been said to hold the “most impossible job in the world.” And for just the 10th time in the organization’s history, a new candidate will soon be stepping into that role. Through immersive storytelling and voices from around the globe, World’s Toughest Job explores the challenges facing the next UN leader. Over eight episodes, we’ll examine how the secretar... more

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This season on World’s Toughest Job, host Jasmin Bauomy and co-host Mark Malloch-Brown asked how the next United Nations secretary-general might actually make a difference on issues such as complex wars, climate change, and artificial intelligence.

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In 1987, the United Nations called a huge meeting in Montreal to negotiate the phaseout of ozone-depleting chemicals. And… it worked. The ozone layer is healing. And the Montreal Protocol is probably the best environmental treaty that we’ve ever pull... more

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The 1997 East Asian financial crisis, the 2008 global food and energy crisis, and the COVID-19 pandemic are all examples of global systemic shocks.  And when the next secretary-general takes office in January 2027, there will most likely be another c... more

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The cables that carry most of the world’s data, the shipping lanes that carry its energy and goods, and the satellites that keep its financial systems running were all built on the assumption that the global economy was something that most actors wan... more

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Recent Guests

Mia Mottley
Prime Minister of Barbados
Barbados government
Episode: The Triage Game: Own, Delegate, or Drop
Comfort Ero
Analyst, policymaker and President & CEO of the International Crisis Group
International Crisis Group
Episode: The Triage Game: Own, Delegate, or Drop
Thant Myint-U
Historian, author and senior fellow at the UN Foundation
UN Foundation
Episode: The Triage Game: Own, Delegate, or Drop
Ana Toni
CEO of Cop30 and Brazil's National Secretary for Climate Change
Cop30/Climate Change Brazil
Episode: What Can the Next Secretary-General Do to Protect the Future?
Arunabha Ghosh
Founder and CEO of the Council on Energy, Environment and Water
Council on Energy, Environment and Water
Episode: What Can the Next Secretary-General Do to Protect the Future?
Jack Ellis
Policymaker and Advocate for Intergenerational Fairness; Office of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Office of the Future Generations Commissioner for Wales
Episode: What Can the Next Secretary-General Do to Protect the Future?
Meg Seki Nakamura
Executive Secretary of the Ozone Secretariat, UNEP
UNEP Ozone Secretariat
Episode: What Can the Next Secretary-General Do to Protect the Future?
Josette Sheeran
Former Executive Director of the World Food Programme
World Food Programme
Episode: Can the UN Still Act as the Emergency Platform the World Needs?
Parag Khanna
Global strategist focused on geopolitical and connectivity issues
AlphaGeo
Episode: How Can a New Secretary-General Protect the Infrastructure We All Depend on?

Hosts

Jasmin Baoumy
Host of Worlds Toughest Job; Foreign Policy & UN Foundation co-production.
Mark Malloch-Brown
Co-host and former UN Deputy Secretary-General.

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 27 ratings
  • Refreshingly Insightful

    Enjoyed listening to an episode thus far that provided insight into how important cogs in the US system make decisions. I only hope future episodes will touch on diverse themes to avoid getting repetitive

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    5
    Lune Shine
    Canada2 months ago
  • So well done!

    I loved the historical angles and the host

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    jronan17
    United States4 months ago

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As Another Economic Crisis Looms, How Should the UN Respond?
Q: What is the overarching task for the next Secretary General in the context of an ongoing economic crisis?
The next Secretary General should act as a convening broker, pushing for a balanced approach that combines strong policy framing with practical, multi-layered solutions, including debt governance reforms, new financial architectures, and targeted international cooperation beyond traditional universal multilateralism.
Can the Secretary-General Still Act as a Firebreak on Peace and Security?
Q: What exactly can the next Secretary General expect to deal with in terms of conflicts and diplomacy in the near term?
Experts outline a need for the SG to be more present in conflict diplomacy, to defend legal principles, and to act as a strategic convenor who can shape norms and preventive diplomacy before crises worsen.

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A high-level, policy-forward exploration of the United Nations' leadership, structure, and global action. Episodes consistently center on how a future secretary-general could tackle climate change, economic governance, technology and AI, security, and humanitarian coordination through pragmatic coalitions, accountability frameworks, and long-term planning. The format often brings together former officials, policymakers, and researchers to debate governance design, multilateral reform, and the balance between centralized authority and flexible, people-centered responses. A notable strength is the emphasis on historical lessons and concrete mechanisms that could translate talk of the future into tangible policy action, with a willingness to c... more

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