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Ben Olson and Nathan Fox started the Thinking LSAT Podcast to become better LSAT teachers and have some fun. Please 1) subscribe, 2) rate and review, and 3) send us questions: help@thinkinglsat.com. Don't pay for law school! Learn more at lsatdemon.com

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A viewer writes in asking about their chances at the T14 while being a super splitter. They explain their work history includes founding a multimillion dollar healthcare business. Ben and Nathan ask if the viewer really wants to pursue law school giv... more

The updated rankings for law schools have dropped! Ben and Nathan discuss the changes, the schools that refused to participate, and what applicants should actually focus on when choosing a law school to attend.

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A listener asks how to negotiate scholarships, especially when schools claim they don’t negotiate. Ben and Nathan advise always asking for more and using competing offers as leverage. But, they stress the importance of being ready to walk away from a... more

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Peter Parker
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Episode: The Truth About Softs (Ep. 555)
Stephen Davidoff Solomon
Law professor at UC Berkeley and author of the opinion piece discussed
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Episode: The Timeline Trap (Ep. 507)
Condoleezza Rice
Former Provost of Stanford and a notable alumni discussed in context
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Episode: The Timeline Trap (Ep. 507)
Ted Olson
Former Solicitor General and a notable alumni discussed in context
Episode: The Timeline Trap (Ep. 507)
Rachel Cohen
Harvard Law School graduate and former associate at Skadden Arps, who resigned in protest against Trump administration policies
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Episode: Big Law vs. Trump (with Rachel Cohen) (Ep. 505)
Jackie Schafer
CEO of Clearbrief and former litigator with extensive experience in using AI for legal practices.
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Episode: From Big Law to Tech CEO (Jackie Schafer) (Ep. 460)
Rachel Gezerseh
Trial attorney specializing in catastrophic personal injury and author of The Law Career Playbook.
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Episode: Start Networking Now (Rachel Gezerseh) (Ep. 456)
Angela Vorpahl
1L strategy coach who helps law students take control of their 1L grades
Episode: Five Misguided 1L Study Tips (Angela Vorpahl) (Ep. 454)
Nick Hafen
Head of Legal Technology Education at BYU Law School
BYU Law School
Episode: AI and the Future of Law School (Nick Hafen) (Ep. 452)

Hosts

Ben Olson
Co-founder of LSAT Demon and co-host of the Thinking LSAT Podcast, Ben Olson aims to provide actionable advice and practical strategies for LSAT preparation and law school admissions based on extensive experience in the field.
Nathan Fox
Co-founder of LSAT Demon and co-host of the Thinking LSAT Podcast, Nathan Fox specializes in LSAT preparation and law school admissions, emphasizing a practical and often blunt approach to helping listeners achieve their academic goals.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 1.4k ratings
  • Highly recommend

    I give Nate and Ben full credit for my law school scholarship. I am now a practicing attorney and I do not need to worry about massive student loans. My wife is looking to go to law school and I told her this podcast should be mandatory for those prepping for the LSAT or thinking about law school.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    OJA-AZ
    United States10 months ago
  • Do not listen

    There are better test prep companies. These guys have an unearned superiority complex and give bad advice

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    sandovalalberto
    United States2 years ago
  • Helped me break into the 170s!!

    I have never been a strong standardized test taker. Listening to this podcast over the last year has given me so much LSAT swagger that I didn’t even know I needed to crush this test. Ben and Nate keep it real but I like their candor. At times they can come across as harsh but after listening to 400+ of these episodes I can confidently say that they want all of their listeners to succeed on the LSAT and in life in general. I love their no-nonsense approach to the test. They break everything down... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    baurorag
    United States2 years ago
  • If you want to be talked out of law school, this podcast is for you

    There might be some decent advice mixed in with the negativity. However, if you have your mind made up to attend law school you should probably steer clear of this podcast. Also, it should be noted the hosts are NOT attorneys. They attended law school and decided practicing law was not for them.

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    LovingMyLife
    United States2 years ago
  • Have helped a lot on my lsat

    Had a diagnostic of around 150, just got a 168 on my last PT after studying with the demon for 3 months.

    While some people dislike their straight forward blunt honesty. For me it’s refreshing.

    I don’t want or need someone to pat me on the back/ hold my hand. I want facts that will help me get into a better position when applying.

    For example, many may not like that they say if your scoring to low to get a scholarship (140s-low 150’s) , law school may not be for you.

    Well the truth is valuable a... more

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    Ashes to ashes666
    United States2 years ago

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Some feedback indicates that the hosts can come off as harsh or overly critical, which may not suit everyone's taste.
Positive reviews highlight the hosts' expertise and humor, making the content engaging while still being educational.
Negatively, certain listeners feel the hosts' opinions on law school might be discouraging or not aligned with their personal goals.
Listeners appreciate the straightforward and blunt approach of the hosts, valuing their no-nonsense advice for LSAT prep and law school applications.

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RIP T14 (Ep. 554)
Q: Which LSAT/ GPA mix would realistically improve chances at top 14 schools according to their discussion?
A higher GPA, particularly avoiding drastic drops like a 3.77, combined with a stronger LSAT (closer to mid-170s) greatly improves predicted outcomes at top schools and can shift which schools become realistic options, sometimes improving scholarship chances.
RIP T14 (Ep. 554)
Q: What is the '2X rule' and how does it help interpret ranking changes?
The rule of thumb compares two rankings by doubling the smaller one; if the larger ranking is within that doubled range, then the change is not substantial. It's a rough way to gauge meaningful movement without over-interpreting minor shifts.
WTF is “Layered Conditional Logic”? (Ep. 548)
Q: Should Abby use a letter of recommendation from the university president?
The hosts suggest that while a president-level letter can be compelling for showcasing leadership and trust, Abby should also include a second, strong professor letter to provide balance and depth about her academic abilities.
The Full Ride Formula (Ep. 546)
Q: What should I focus on during law school to be employable?
Focus on gaining relevant work experience and understanding the type of law you want to pursue.
Tips from Departing Demons (Ep. 542)
Q: Should I target a T14 law school or a top trial advocacy school?
Prioritize the overall quality of education, potential opportunities, and costs over specialty rankings.

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