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The Perfect Scam

AARP
Scams
AARP
Identity Theft
Romance Scams
Fraud Prevention
Fraud
AARP Fraud Watch Network
Cryptocurrency
Job Scams
Elder Abuse
Scam Baiting
FBI
Tech Support Scams
Scamming
Financial Fraud
Remote Work
Youtube
Reverse Mortgage
Cryptocurrency Scams
Online Scams

AARP's weekly podcast The Perfect ScamSM tells the stories of people who find themselves the target of a scam. Host Bob Sullivan introduces listeners to those who have experienced scams firsthand, as well as professional con artists and leading experts who pull back the curtain on how scammers operate.

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Latest Episodes

David is a seasoned traveler who has visited over 30 countries. He and his wife are looking forward to a trip to Budapest when he receives an email from Lufthansa about a scheduling change. Hoping to rebook their connecting flight and having no luck ... more

Writing is Barbara's retirement hobby and her passion. She has several self-published books, but she dreams of her stories reaching a wider audience. So when a company called PageTurner contacts her with exciting plans for her books, she is thrilled.... more

A late-night call from their son Brian has Barry and Joan concerned. Brian sounds panicked and says he urgently needs $280,000. They do not have that kind of money available, and Barry, a trained counselor, immediately senses that something is wrong.... more

In Part 2 of this 2023 episode, criminals are running the grandparent scam all over the San Diego area. Often crimes like this go unsolved, but FBI agent Brady Finta and his law enforcement partners believe this situation is unique. There is a video ... more

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Recent Guests

Barbara Cornelius Vassano
Retired writer, author of 12 books
Self-published author
Episode: Phony Publisher Promises Bestsellers
Cheryl Davis
General Counsel of the Authors Guild
Authors Guild
Episode: Phony Publisher Promises Bestsellers
Dr. Jennifer Lawrence
Clinical psychologist, fightcybercrime.org
Fight Cybercrime
Episode: How One Family Stopped a Crypto Romance Scam
Susan Donald
Grandmother and central victim in the story
Episode: Archive Episode: FBI and Grandmother Bring Down Crime Ring, Part 2
Brady Finta
Retired FBI agent
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
Episode: Archive Episode: FBI and Grandmother Bring Down Crime Ring, Part 1
Eunice Hovland
Participant in the scam story, stay-at-home parent
Episode: Friend Group Falls Victim to Large Job Scam
Patti Hsu
FTC lawyer, Chief of Staff of the Division of Marketing Practices
Federal Trade Commission
Episode: Friend Group Falls Victim to Large Job Scam
Linda Coble
Retired Hawaii TV anchor and journalist
Episode: A Hawaii News Icon and a Sweepstakes Scam
Julie Ferguson
Co-founder and CEO of The Merchant Risk Council
The Merchant Risk Council
Episode: Scam Targets AT&T Customers to Steal Cellphones

Host

Bob Sullivan
Host of The Perfect Scam and senior figure at AARP; oversees program and storytelling.

Reviews

4.6 out of 5 stars from 1.4k ratings
  • Good podcast, terrible episode

    The phone scam episode was simply too convoluted. The guest was hard to hear and it’s hard to believe a lot of the tale. Can’t imagine many people falling for this one.

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    Joe's View
    United States2 months ago
  • More crucial tips, please!

    Great show, very important. However, you have missed some important opportunities: for example, with the woman and the fake Facebook job, I wish you would’ve said, “if somebody asks you upfront for money as part of applying for a job, or after you have landed the job, IT IS A SCAM!” 100%.

    Also, I heard on another scam podcast that if somebody asks you to transfer money to and from crypto or use a crypto ATM, IT IS A SCAM! 100%.

    Putting money into a crypto ATM is ONLY USED FOR SCAMS. 100%. I l... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Deborah K., Portland OR
    United States3 months ago
  • Important!

    Such a timely and compassionate podcast. Must listen for all especially our older friends and relatives.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    SqKat42
    United States3 months ago
  • Like it

    Good stories

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Hit the nail right
    New Zealand3 months ago
  • Jeanette

    I’ve listened to this podcast for years and I just have no sympathy for these marks any longer. Jeanette thought that an Indian security team would get her a new US social security number? She also doesn’t seem to know how electricity works. So many of the guests deserve their plights. I can’t believe how these idiots made so much money to begin with. The crime is that these privileged people never had to fend for themselves.

    Apple Podcasts
    4
    Meh9873
    United States4 months ago

Listeners Say

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Many appreciate the breadth of expert guests providing practical prevention tips.
Listeners praise the host's empathy and thoroughness in handling victims' stories.
Critiques note audio/production inconsistencies in some episodes and desire for more actionable takeaways.
Guests from regulatory and investigative fields are seen as credible and informative.

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Apple Podcasts
#217
United States/True Crime
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#219
Australia/True Crime
Apple Podcasts
#69
Argentina/True Crime
Apple Podcasts
#188
South Korea/True Crime
Apple Podcasts
#226
Singapore/True Crime
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#239
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Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Archive Episode: FBI and Grandmother Bring Down Crime Ring, Part 1
Q: What was the turning point for the victim in terms of seeking help?
The turning point came when the victim decided to contact family and law enforcement instead of continuing to follow the scammer's instructions, recognizing the need to stop participating and get help.
Archive Episode: FBI and Grandmother Bring Down Crime Ring, Part 1
Q: How did the scam start and what was the initial pressure point?
The scam began with a terrified call from a supposed grandchild claiming an accident and needing urgent help, escalating pressure to quickly transfer money to avoid jail, with the scammer acting as a calm, official figure guiding the process.
Friend Group Falls Victim to Large Job Scam
Q: What caused the collapse of the scheme?
Withdrawal failures, a forced app update, and a manager firing the team signaled a total loss of access to funds and the end of the scam.
Friend Group Falls Victim to Large Job Scam
Q: How did the scheme evolve financially for the couple?
They started with small daily credits, then moved to a tiered VIP system that dramatically increased potential earnings, leading them to invest thousands and recruit others.
Friend Group Falls Victim to Large Job Scam
Q: What appealed to Eunice about the opportunity at first?
The promise of staying home, flexible hours, minimal experience, and high earnings seemed achievable; she and Daniel saw a path to improving finances and paying bills.

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A data-driven look at scams that span everything from romance and investment fraud to disaster-related schemes, narrated with empathy toward victims and practical guidance from experts. Episodes frequently blend survivor stories with regulatory, investigative, and technical insights, highlighting red flags, prevention tips, and the broader social impact of fraud on families and communities. A standout aspect is the breadth of guests, from family members and journalists to FTC and FBI experts, utilities advocates, and AI safety researchers, which helps listeners understand both the human toll and systemic responses. Potential listeners looking for real-world scam narratives paired with actionable prevention strategies will likely find it esp... more

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Recent guests on The Perfect Scam include:

1. Barbara Cornelius Vassano
2. Cheryl Davis
3. Dr. Jennifer Lawrence
4. Susan Donald
5. Brady Finta
6. Eunice Hovland
7. Patti Hsu
8. Linda Coble

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