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The Next Level

The Bulwark
Donald Trump
Republican Party
Kamala Harris
Joe Biden
Trump
Democratic Party
Jeffrey Epstein
Economy
Iran
2024 Presidential Election
JD Vance
Supreme Court
The Bulwark
Immigration
Elon Musk
Nikki Haley
Ukraine
Israel
Focus Groups
Venezuela

Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and Jonathan V. Last bring their signature political insight and banter to the masses in The Next Level podcast. Tune in to hear them discuss the news of the week, break down campaigns and elections, and wade into pop culture feuds. www.thebulwark.com

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Tim, Sarah, and JVL are BACK TOGETHER after a month apart. They discuss:

-Bill Cassidy’s pathetic, weepy floor speech before casting the deciding vote to confirm Todd Blanche as Attorney General.

-What Tucker Carlson is up to these days…from intervi... more

Full episodes of The Secret Podcast are available exclusively to paid members of The Bulwark. Join on Substack, Apple Podcast or YouTube!

JVL and Tim did a GIANT show this week.

* Uncanny Callista Gingrich.

* Thom Tillis publishes his burn boo... more

Sam joins Tim and JVL to discuss:

-Live results from the (unexpectedly close) Michigan Senate primary, and discuss what an Abdul El-Sayed or Haley Stevens win would mean for November.

-The horrifying child abuse allegations against Rep. Max Miller, a... more

Sarah and JVL have a It’s a super-sized, instant classic:

The Trump administration is using ChatGPT for everything.

Why are Cornyn and Tillis even bothering with their fake protest of Todd Blanche?

The Dem Senate map is looking . . . possible?

Tr... more

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Recent Guests

Callista Gingrich
Former U.S. ambassador to Norway? (note: presented in transcript as Callista Gingrich)
U.S. Embassy Switzerland (video message)
Episode: 1104: Secret Podcast: The GOAT Episode
Jonathan Cohn
Journalist
Michigan-based correspondent
Episode: 1103: Michigan Senate Primary Becomes a Late-Night Nail-Biter
Catherine Rampell
Guest on inaugural appearance
The New York Times (interview subject within episode)
Episode: 1101: The WHCD Walked Straight Into Trump’s Trap
Will Sommer
Author of the false flag newsletter
Logically, in for Tim Miller on this episode
Episode: 1099: This Deranged New Campaign Ad Creeped Us Out!
Jason Calacanis
Guest, tech entrepreneur and media figure
Not specified in transcript
Episode: 1087: LIVE: Booed at the NBA Finals, Stormed Off NBC—Trump Is DOWN BAD
Buckley Carlson
Tucker Carlson's brother
Former TV/media figure
Episode: 1074: Tucker Carlson’s “Regret” Is Just Another Scam
Abdul A. Sayed
Democratic Senate candidate in Michigan
Campaign for Abdul Sayed
Episode: 1071: Secret Podcast: The Podcast Wars
Bill Kristol
Political commentator and editor known for deep-dive political analysis
The Bulwark
Episode: 1067: Secret Podcast: Trump Won’t Stop—Because He Can’t Look Weak
Sam Stein
Correspondent, The Bulwark
The Bulwark
Episode: 1064: Trump Is About to Own a Disastrous Middle East War | Secret Podcast

Hosts

Jonathan V. Last
Host on political commentary discussions; frequently leads and participates in policy and strategy debates.
Tim Miller
Host with strong emphasis on policy critique and political strategy banter.
Sarah Longwell
Co-host/host providing political insight, banter, and focus on campaigns and messaging.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 4.6k ratings
  • To Be a Clone of JVL Alone

    Ohhh to be a clone of JVL alone. But if not, can I get him as my ringtone? Sarah, you are so great, smart, beautiful, quick witted in a friendly polite way. Timmy, I might be your grandma,, me and “your grandpa” are married 49 years. I say that because you are cute and so super smart . Problem, We had no children, ON PURpose. My pronouns are old hippie lady. Is that rude? How would this boomer know?

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Becky Beefheart
    United States19 days ago
  • Good but not great

    I picked up this podcast recently and generally enjoy listening to most of what the group has to say. I especially like Sarah’s focus group research. JVL’s relentless pessimism about the future is really starting to turn me off and does not inspire me to pay for content beyond the paywall. If I want doom and gloom, I’ll save my money and just look around me at what’s happening for free.

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    Tinava27
    United States20 days ago
  • Good, could be great

    I’m here for Sarah and Tim. JVL can be tough. He’s grown on me but he has no sense of timing. He beats a point to death and breaks the flow of otherwise excellent discussions. I do think he’s working on this and I appreciate it. (For the love of all that is holy do not let Sam join / ruin this show, he’s the worst. At least JVL is smart so eventually there is a payoff.)

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    nbsfmc
    United States22 days ago
  • More Sarah!!!

    Edited to add: More Will Sommer!! More Andrew Egger!!! Tim’s annoying and totally lost the plot with Platner. Sam can be annoying too. Love JVL even though his takes are out there (Laura Loomer and Darline Graham 🧐)

    …I love Sarah and JVL, but Tim makes the podcast so hard to listen to. Between the interrupting and inappropriate comments I have gotten to the point I don’t listen to any Bulwark podcast he’s on. I’m glad Sarah has her own podcasts, but I would like for her to have a more genera... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Scottish Weed
    United States23 days ago
  • Trio

    Well done

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Che Block
    United Statesa month ago

Listeners Say

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Fans note strong emphasis on democracy-focused debate and anti-optimistic political analysis.
Audience values thoughtful critique of both parties and practical politics with clear perspectives.
Some listeners criticize ad density and ad read transitions during episodes.
Listeners praise the hosts' sharp, insightful dialogue and the mix of policy with culture humor.

Chart Rankings

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Apple Podcasts
#36
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#97
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#50
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#112
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#142
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#201
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Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

1041: Fear the Reaper | The Secret Podcast
Q: What keeps you up at night?
The fact that there is a wholesale consolidation of corporate media.
Where Did the Empathy for Ukraine Go? (with Terrell Starr)
Q: How are people in Ukraine reacting to the political climate in the United States?
People in Ukraine are puzzled and concerned about the political dynamics in the U.S., particularly regarding potential shifts in support for Ukraine due to internal U.S. politics.
Where Did the Empathy for Ukraine Go? (with Terrell Starr)
Q: What is the state of play on the ground in Ukraine from your recent time there?
Despite concerns about U.S. support, there is a strong determination among Ukrainians to continue resisting Russian aggression without thoughts of negotiating peace.
Let's Brace for 2024 Together!
Q: What scares you the most about 2024?
The fear of Trump winning the election, particularly with the possibility of Nikki Haley endorsing him and creating a dangerous precedent for normies.
Democrats Need to Play Hardball with Crazy House Republicans (with Rep. Jake Auchincloss)
Q: What is the Democrats' move as we head to March?
Democrats should not support any continuing resolutions that do not offer clear support for Ukraine.

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High-signal political analysis with brisk banter, focusing on current events, campaigns, elections, and the norms and tactics shaping democratic politics. Episodes frequently dissect redistricting, constitutional questions, consumer/policy drama, and foreign policy with a liberal-democratic framing, while weaving in pop culture and ad reads. Noteworthy is the trio's mix of sharp debate and occasional humor, producing a candid, fast-paced discussion that often challenges conventional political strategy and messaging. The format blends policy depth with accessible culture talk, making it useful for listeners who want thoughtful, opinionsated takes on how politics intersects with media, elections, and governance.

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2. Jonathan Cohn
3. Catherine Rampell
4. Will Sommer
5. Jason Calacanis
6. Buckley Carlson
7. Abdul A. Sayed
8. Bill Kristol

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