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The Next Level

The Bulwark
Donald Trump
Republican Party
Kamala Harris
Joe Biden
Trump
Democratic Party
Jeffrey Epstein
Economy
Iran
2024 Presidential Election
JD Vance
The Bulwark
Supreme Court
Elon Musk
Immigration
Nikki Haley
Ukraine
Israel
Venezuela
2024 Election

Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller, and Jonathan V. Last bring their signature political insight and banter to the masses in The Next Level podcast. Tune in to hear them discuss the news of the week, break down campaigns and elections, and wade into pop culture feuds. www.thebulwark.com

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Latest Episodes

Tim, Sarah, and JVL discuss the U.S. Supreme Court letting Trump’s ballroom go ahead (for now), why JVL thinks John Roberts is the Susan Collins of the Supreme Court, and whether Sarah is warming up to tearing down the ballroom in 2029. Plus: Trump s... more

Full episodes of The Secret Podcast are a special perk just for paid members of the Bulwark. We put almost every video out for free, because we don't think you can save the country from behind a paywall. This is one of the rare things we do reserve j... more

Tim, Sarah, and JVL are back together for a JAM-PACKED show. They discuss:

-Dolly Parton's passing and her legacy.

-America's war (not the Iran war, our trade war with Canada), and why the rest of the world can't count on American anymore--even if D... more

The Secret Podcast with JVL and Sarah is exclusively for paid members of the Bulwark on YouTube, Substack and Apple Podcasts.

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Sarah and JVL did a BIG show today. Sample awesome:

Sen. Darlene Graham says that voters in South Carolina don’t care... more

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Recent Guests

Abdul El-Sayed
Doctor and public health advocate discussed in segment
Episode: 1109: All MAGA Media Can Talk About Now is Trans Sports
Callista Gingrich
Former U.S. ambassador to Norway? (note: presented in transcript as Callista Gingrich)
U.S. Embassy Switzerland (video message)
Episode: 1104: Secret Podcast: The GOAT Episode
Jonathan Cohn
Journalist
Michigan-based correspondent
Episode: 1103: Michigan Senate Primary Becomes a Late-Night Nail-Biter
Catherine Rampell
Guest on inaugural appearance
The New York Times (interview subject within episode)
Episode: 1101: The WHCD Walked Straight Into Trump’s Trap
Will Sommer
Author of the false flag newsletter
Logically, in for Tim Miller on this episode
Episode: 1099: This Deranged New Campaign Ad Creeped Us Out!
Jason Calacanis
Guest, tech entrepreneur and media figure
Not specified in transcript
Episode: 1087: LIVE: Booed at the NBA Finals, Stormed Off NBC—Trump Is DOWN BAD
Buckley Carlson
Tucker Carlson's brother
Former TV/media figure
Episode: 1074: Tucker Carlson’s “Regret” Is Just Another Scam
Abdul A. Sayed
Democratic Senate candidate in Michigan
Campaign for Abdul Sayed
Episode: 1071: Secret Podcast: The Podcast Wars
Bill Kristol
Political commentator and editor known for deep-dive political analysis
The Bulwark
Episode: 1067: Secret Podcast: Trump Won’t Stop—Because He Can’t Look Weak

Hosts

Jonathan V. Last
Host with a long-running role on the show, anchored at The Bulwark.
Tim Miller
Co-host known for his political analysis and banter.
Sarah Longwell
Co-host and political commentator, often leading focus-group style discussions.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 4.6k ratings
  • To Be a Clone of JVL Alone

    Ohhh to be a clone of JVL alone. But if not, can I get him as my ringtone? Sarah, you are so great, smart, beautiful, quick witted in a friendly polite way. Timmy, I might be your grandma,, me and “your grandpa” are married 49 years. I say that because you are cute and so super smart . Problem, We had no children, ON PURpose. My pronouns are old hippie lady. Is that rude? How would this boomer know?

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Becky Beefheart
    United Statesa month ago
  • Good but not great

    I picked up this podcast recently and generally enjoy listening to most of what the group has to say. I especially like Sarah’s focus group research. JVL’s relentless pessimism about the future is really starting to turn me off and does not inspire me to pay for content beyond the paywall. If I want doom and gloom, I’ll save my money and just look around me at what’s happening for free.

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    Tinava27
    United Statesa month ago
  • Good, could be great

    I’m here for Sarah and Tim. JVL can be tough. He’s grown on me but he has no sense of timing. He beats a point to death and breaks the flow of otherwise excellent discussions. I do think he’s working on this and I appreciate it. (For the love of all that is holy do not let Sam join / ruin this show, he’s the worst. At least JVL is smart so eventually there is a payoff.)

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    nbsfmc
    United Statesa month ago
  • More Sarah!!!

    Edited to add: More Will Sommer!! More Andrew Egger!!! Tim’s annoying and totally lost the plot with Platner. Sam can be annoying too. Love JVL even though his takes are out there (Laura Loomer and Darline Graham 🧐)

    …I love Sarah and JVL, but Tim makes the podcast so hard to listen to. Between the interrupting and inappropriate comments I have gotten to the point I don’t listen to any Bulwark podcast he’s on. I’m glad Sarah has her own podcasts, but I would like for her to have a more genera... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Scottish Weed
    United Statesa month ago
  • Trio

    Well done

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Che Block
    United States2 months ago

Listeners Say

Key themes from listener reviews, highlighting what works and what could be improved about the show.

Some episodes show friction over hosting dynamics and pacing, but the group's chemistry remains a draw for many.
The show draws praise for diverse, sometimes provocative guest selections and candid takes on political strategy.
Listeners appreciate fast, sharp banter and strong policy insight.

Chart Rankings

How this podcast ranks in the Apple Podcasts, Spotify and YouTube charts.

Apple Podcasts
#25
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Apple Podcasts
#78
United States/News
Apple Podcasts
#54
Canada/News/Politics
Apple Podcasts
#99
United Kingdom/News/Politics
Apple Podcasts
#171
Canada/News
Apple Podcasts
#237
United Kingdom/News

Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

1041: Fear the Reaper | The Secret Podcast
Q: What keeps you up at night?
The fact that there is a wholesale consolidation of corporate media.
Where Did the Empathy for Ukraine Go? (with Terrell Starr)
Q: How are people in Ukraine reacting to the political climate in the United States?
People in Ukraine are puzzled and concerned about the political dynamics in the U.S., particularly regarding potential shifts in support for Ukraine due to internal U.S. politics.
Where Did the Empathy for Ukraine Go? (with Terrell Starr)
Q: What is the state of play on the ground in Ukraine from your recent time there?
Despite concerns about U.S. support, there is a strong determination among Ukrainians to continue resisting Russian aggression without thoughts of negotiating peace.
Let's Brace for 2024 Together!
Q: What scares you the most about 2024?
The fear of Trump winning the election, particularly with the possibility of Nikki Haley endorsing him and creating a dangerous precedent for normies.
Democrats Need to Play Hardball with Crazy House Republicans (with Rep. Jake Auchincloss)
Q: What is the Democrats' move as we head to March?
Democrats should not support any continuing resolutions that do not offer clear support for Ukraine.

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What is The Next Level about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A sharp, banter-heavy political discussion show featuring three regulars who mix policy analysis with brisk cultural commentary. Across recent episodes, they cover elections dynamics, party strategies, media narratives, and high-stakes foreign policy debates, often weaving in personal anecdotes and satire. The format blends candid banter with rigorous takeaways on campaigns, messaging, and governance, while leaning toward independent, sometimes contrarian perspectives that challenge conventional party lines. A standout aspect is the group's willingness to push back on consensus, invite provocative guests, and weave humor into serious political analysis, making it a go-to for listeners who want both smart critique and lively conversation.

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2. Callista Gingrich
3. Jonathan Cohn
4. Catherine Rampell
5. Will Sommer
6. Jason Calacanis
7. Buckley Carlson
8. Abdul A. Sayed

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