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The Illegal News with Sarah Longwell

The Bulwark
Donald Trump
Supreme Court
Trump Administration
Republican Party
Department Of Justice
Birthright Citizenship
E. Jean Carroll
Kamala Harris
Executive Power
January 6th Insurrection
Elon Musk
Election Interference
National Guard
Congress
Hush Money Case
Doge
Jack Smith
National Security
Perkins Coie
Paul Weiss

“The Illegal News” is where law meets politics. Each week, Bulwark publisher Sarah Longwell (not a lawyer) sits down with a legal expert to unpack how the latest court filings, rulings, and procedural twists and turns of the Trump era are shaping American democracy. These are conversations about justice without the jargon, giving you context for the biggest developments and surfacing the legal (an... more

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Sarah Longwell and Andrew Weissmann discuss on a week that tested both of them: Todd Blanche's confirmation hearing, and Trump's prime-time speech on election interference. Andrew walks through the cross-examination Senate Democrats didn't run—the st... more

Andrew Weissmann joins Sarah Longwell to discuss a big week in legal news: DOJ's stunning concession in a reporter's lawsuit over the Epstein files, the questions senators must make Todd Blanche answer at his confirmation hearing, and the Trump-appoi... more

Sarah Longwell and Georgetown University Law Center's Steve Vladek discuss the Supreme Court's final day of the term—a narrow 5-4 ruling upholding birthright citizenship, the court gutting independent agency protections (while carving out a suspiciou... more

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Sarah Longwell and Andrew Weissmann talk about the Iran nuclear deal—why the "win" Trump is selling actually leaves America with less leverage, fewer allies, and zero nuclear resolution than where we started. Plus: what Jonathan Swan and Maggie Haber... more

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Steve Vladeck
Supreme Court expert, Georgetown Law professor
Georgetown Law
Episode: S2 Ep166: MAGA is Furious at Amy Coney Barrett (w/ Steve Vladeck)
Andrew Weissmann
Bestselling author of Liars Kingdom; lawyer and commentator
MSNOW Podcast, Main Justice, The Bulwark
Episode: S2 Ep165: The Reflecting Pool is a Symbol of Trump’s Failure (w/ Andrew Weissmann)
Mary McCord
Former prosecutor in the DC US Attorney's Office, oversaw the National Security Division at DOJ; Georgetown University professor; co-hosts Main Justice (MSNOW)
Georgetown University; Main Justice
Episode: S2 Ep161: Judge Nukes Trump DOJ’s “Vindictive” Prosecution (w/ Mary McCord) | Illegal News
Ben Wittes
Legal analyst and co-host, frequent commentator on law and governance
Lawfare/Brookings Institution
Episode: S2 Ep159: Trump Built a System That Pays People to Break the Law (w/ Ben Wittes)
Kate Shaw
Professor of Law at the University of Pennsylvania Law School; co-host of Strict Scrutiny
University of Pennsylvania Law School
Episode: S2 Ep157: SCOTUS Profoundly Changed Elections—Mid-Vote! (w/ Kate Shaw)
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Episode: S2 Ep157: SCOTUS Profoundly Changed Elections—Mid-Vote! (w/ Kate Shaw)
Tess Bridgeman
Co-editor and Chief of Just Security, former White House adviser
Just Security
Episode: S2 Ep148: Is This War Legal? (w/ Tess Bridgeman)
Elliot Williams
CNN legal analyst and author of Five Bullets
CNN
Episode: S2 Ep147: Trump’s Face on DOJ Is a Big Deal—Here’s Why (w/ Elliot Williams)
Carol Leonnig
Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, co-author of the book "Injustice"
The Washington Post
Episode: S2 Ep133: How the DOJ Turned Its Easiest Case Into Trump’s Escape Hatch

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Sarah Longwell
Host of The Illegal News; Bulwark publisher
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Host of The Illegal News (guest-hosted)

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4.9 out of 5 stars from 4.4k ratings
  • Love this show

    I look forward to this show every week. Andrew cracks me up with his tangents and stories. Sarah cracks me up with her attempts to stay on topic. These two are a great pairing and their discussions are brilliant and informative.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Annette the Minnesotan
    United Statesa month ago
  • Andrew, cats are good

    I know you love dogs, but it wouldn’t hurt you to acquaint yourself with the virtues of the feline species.

    That said, I love you both, Sarah and Andrew.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Cats feet
    United States2 months ago
  • Wrong messaging

    Sarah, please stop saying Trump is not doing anything to lower prices…..It makes him seem disinterested, some innocent bystander, and aloof to the problem……

    When the better and factual message should be Trump’s actions (tariffs and Iran war) are the direct causality of the inflation. In sum, Trump is the main culprit behind the inflation.

    Dems need to get their act together with this message. N.b., Inflation was heading to 2% when Trump came into office

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Prometheus---
    United States2 months ago
  • Apology

    Have to interrupt my listening to the latest episode to say kudos to Eliot Williams for being so lovely and gracious: THAT was an apology. Coming from a man, an attorney no less, it was beautiful and powerful. Not an if-pology, not an "I didn't mean...", not a rationalization, just clear owning it, here's why it wasn't right, here's who I'm saying sorry to, we continue to strive to do better. This process should be a normal everyday practice of adulting & civility, but unfortunately it's not. ... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Hilpst
    United States3 months ago
  • Contemptuous grifters

    Contemptuous grifters

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Robin Robinovitch
    United States3 months ago

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S2 Ep166: MAGA is Furious at Amy Coney Barrett (w/ Steve Vladeck)
Q: Steve, maybe you can just give us a quick background again on, like, why did the president try, like, why did he fire or try to fire these people that led to these Supreme Court cases?
The president claimed cause for firing some independent-agency commissioners with four-cause removal protections, arguing for accountability, while the court ruled that, generally, removal protections are unconstitutional except for the Fed, where the court found special considerations. This split created a framework where most agencies can be removed for cause, but the Fed remains protected, at least for now.
S2 Ep167: Trump's Own Judge Torched DOJ's Insane Election Subpoena (w/ Andrew Weissmann)
Q: Can you walk me through why you think the Epstein files may never be released?
Weissmann outlines that the combination of standing, the legality of the specific act used, and the strategic timing of disclosures and court decisions all contribute to uncertainty; while a judge could side with release, there are multiple potential appellate hurdles and procedural delays that may keep some documents confidential for longer.
S2 Ep165: The Reflecting Pool is a Symbol of Trump’s Failure (w/ Andrew Weissmann)
Q: Is this PG or is this not PG?
Yes, it's not PG; they are discussing legal and political topics, so expect explicit language and strong opinions rather than kid-friendly content.
S2 Ep157: SCOTUS Profoundly Changed Elections—Mid-Vote! (w/ Kate Shaw)
Q: Can you just give us an overview of the case and what are the facts, how did this get to the Supreme Court, what did they rule?
The case is part of a broader arc where the court has weakened parts of the Voting Rights Act over time; Louisiana's map had a second majority-black district that the court found to be impermissibly race-conscious in the way it was drawn, signaling a shift toward a colorblind interpretation of the Constitution with respect to race in redistricting.
S2 Ep156: Kash Patel's Lawsuit Could Backfire—BIG TIME (w/ Andrew Weissmann)
Q: Why should Kash Patel go to trial instead of settling or moving quickly through motions?
A rapid trial would expose witnesses, contradictors, and the credibility of the allegations in a way that could clarify the record for the public, giving Kash Patel a platform to present his side and potentially deter further media framing until evidence is tested in court.

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