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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

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The Gray Area with Sean Illing takes a philosophy-minded look at culture, technology, politics, and the world of ideas. Each week, we invite a guest to explore a question or topic that matters. From the the state of democracy, to the struggle with depression and anxiety, to the nature of identity in the digital age, each episode looks for nuance and honesty in the most important conversations of o... more

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Noam Hassenfeld
Host/producer of Unexplainable (Vox)
Vox
Episode: What does a parent owe their child?
Ryan Broderick
Journalist and host of Panic World; writer of Garbage Day
Garbage Day / Panic World
Episode: How Google broke the internet
Gregory Berns
Neuroscientist at Emory University and author
Emory University
Episode: The illusion of the ‘self’
John Burn-Murdoch
Columnist and chief data reporter for The Financial Times
Financial Times
Episode: The global baby bust
Jasmine Sun
Journalist covering AI culture and politics
San Francisco-based journalist
Episode: Why public opinion turned on AI
Liz Bruenig
Staff writer at The Atlantic
The Atlantic
Episode: A skeptic considers the case for God
David Wallace-Wells
Writer and reporter for The New York Times
The New York Times
Episode: The “Godzilla El Niño” is coming
Kermit Roosevelt III
Constitutional law professor at the University of Pennsylvania, author of The Nation That Never Was
University of Pennsylvania
Episode: The “real” America at 250
Christopher Murphy
Senior Senator from Connecticut, author of Crisis of the Common Good
U.S. Senate, Connecticut
Episode: How to fix America’s spiritual crisis

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Sean Illing
Host of The Gray Area, known for thoughtful, probing interviews across philosophy, culture, and policy.

Reviews

4.5 out of 5 stars from 15.4k ratings
  • High quality production but disappointing sponsors

    Animal health insurance only aggravates the problem with the pet industry. Plus fetch is not a great company, they really try their best to make things really difficult. Not to speak about the AI companies. Hope better sponsors can turn up to support this great show.

    Apple Podcasts
    4
    BetteraveSucre
    Canada2 months ago
  • Makes me think

    He gets the most thought provoking authors. He is a generous interviewer. Most of my book purchases are inspired by Sean.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Bicycle RN
    United States2 months ago
  • Great topics, doomsday outlook.

    I love the topics and the guests but find every episode has a very tragic outlook. In a typical episode, I find myself very interested and curious only to be hit with the host super doomsday outlook on most topics.

    Apple Podcasts
    4
    Jason_o0
    United States2 months ago
  • great guests and topics my favourite podcast

    Love the topics. i listen each week.. really good stuff.. don’t be put off by the psychology slant sometimes. Really interesting interviews and topics. Sometimes you get depressed hearing about some of the issues, but the host does a good job of balancing the conversation. My favourite podcast.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Fluff e Katt
    Canada3 months ago
  • 📚📚📚

    My only issue with this podcast is I end up buying every book after hearing Sean talk to the author. My entire frickin’ book budget goes to this podcast. But I’m so grateful for the excellent reads and thought provoking conversations.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    r_k_aokay
    United States3 months ago

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The illusion of the ‘self’
Q: What is the user of the brain, and is there really a 'you' behind the self or is it all a kind of illusion?
There may not be a single user; the self could be a constructed interface or a set of lo-fi simulations that we adopt in different contexts, and understanding this can help us gain greater control over which version of ourselves we present at any moment.
The illusion of the ‘self’
Q: Could you explain how you define identity or at least how you think about it?
Identity is largely the self's storytelling—the labels we use are simplifications; the true self is more nuanced and emerges from a mix of memories, experiences, and social contexts that we continually reinterpret.
The illusion of the ‘self’
Q: Do you think much about psychedelics as a therapeutic tool in this regard, as a natural technology that allows us to shatter some of these illusions or see through some of these stories and change them and at the same time change our brains?
Yes. Psychedelics have great potential because they alter perceptual systems and can loosen entrenched patterns, allowing people to rewrite or reframe their self-narratives from the bottom up, in addition to top-down cognitive work.
How Google broke the internet
Q: Tell us what Google Zero means and what that might mean for the Internet.
Google Zero represents a future where AI summarizes and answers most queries, potentially reducing traffic to traditional websites; the guest wonders whether this is a threat or an opportunity, and whether it could free the Internet from a Byzantine monopolistic system.
Why public opinion turned on AI
Q: So you've been writing about a phenomenon you call AI populism. How would you define that?
AI populism is defined as a worldview where AI is treated not merely as a technical tool but as a contested political project, prompting resistance from those who feel displaced or sidelined by its deployment and the concentration of power it represents.

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2. Ryan Broderick
3. Gregory Berns
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