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The Ethically Immoral Podcast

Hosted by: Mike Payne
Poetry
Hair Me
Ebony Stewart
Steven Seidenberg
A Little Feral
Barbara Fant
Leslie Saint Julien
Gather
Gentrification
Leah V
Brenda Cardenas
Photography
Philosophy
The Tender Sonnets
Milwaukee, United States
Artificial Intelligence
Haiti
The Long Way Home
Dasha Kelly
Brooklyn

The Ethically Immoral Podcast is a program dedicated to long-form conversations with poets, spoken word artists, authors, and creatives who use language as a tool for truth-telling, healing, and resistance. Hosted by Mike Payne, the show travels beyond the typical interview to explore the personal histories, artistic philosophies, and cultural contexts that shape the voice of the Creatives we welc... more

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In Volume Seven: Chapter Twelve of the podcast, we welcome Hong Kong-born, Midland, Ontario-based poet and author Grace. Holding a double BA in English Literature and Psychology from the University of British Columbia, Grace is the author of The Lang... more

In Volume Seven: Chapter Eleven we welcomed Buffalo, New York-born, Toronto-based Poet, Essayist, Educator, Biographer, and Author Molly Peacock. She earned her BA from Harpur College at Binghamton University and her MA from Johns Hopkins University.... more

In Volume Seven: Chapter Ten of the Program,  we welcome Poet, Educator, and Author Isabelle Correa for an in-depth and thoughtful conversation about identity, faith, family, healing, and the long, often complicated journey toward becoming a writer. more

In Volume Seven: Chapter Nine of the Podcast, we welcomed Clinton, Ontario-born and London, Ontario-based Educator, Writer, Author, and Poet Blair Trewartha. The author of three chapbooks and two full-length poetry collections, including the recently... more

In Volume Seven: Chapter Eight of the Program, we welcome Milwaukee, Wisconsin-born and based Writer, Poet, Storyteller, Author, Performance Poet, Teaching Artist, and Creative Change Agent Dasha Kelly. A former Milwaukee Poet Laureate and Wisconsin'... more

In Volume Seven: Chapter Seven of the podcast, we welcome Dunnville, Ontario-born and Toronto-based Writer, Author, and Poet Jennifer LoveGrove. Jennifer is the author of four full-length poetry collections and the novel Watch How We Walk, which was ... more

In Volume Seven: Chapter Six of The Program, we welcomed Boston-based Photographer, Poet, Writer, Philosopher, and Visual Artist, Steven Seidenberg. 

We discuss Steven’s newest poetry collection, Coda, his ongoing photographic work, including his ex... more

In Volume Seven: Chapter Five, Brenda Cárdenas joins the Program for a wide-ranging conversation about creativity, language, culture, visual art, and the experiences that shaped her voice as a writer and poet. A Milwaukee, Wisconsin born and based ed... more

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Recent Guests

Blair Trewartha
Educator, writer, poet and author of Half-Earth
Polymptus Press (publisher)
Episode: Volume Seven: Chapter Nine - Our Conversation with Blair Trewartha
Dasha Kelly
educator, poet, writer, filmmaker, author; poet laureate of Milwaukee and Wisconsin
Steel Waters Collective; Milwaukee Poet Laureate
Episode: Volume Seven: Chapter Eight - Our Conversation with Dasha Kelly
Jennifer LoveGrove
Writer, poet, and author of The Tender Sonnets
Bookhug Press
Episode: Volume Seven: Chapter Seven - Our Conversation with Jennifer LoveGrove
Steven Seidenberg
Philosopher, photographer, poet, and author of Coda
Omnidon Publishing / fr:**
Episode: Volume Seven: Chapter Six - Our Conversation With Steven Seidenberg
Brenda Cardenas
Educator, poet, author, Milwaukee-raised writer; Wisconsin Poet Laureate
Wisconsin Poet Laureate
Episode: Volume Seven: Chapter Five - Our Conversation with Brenda Cardanes
Leah V
Bronx-born, Queens-based writer, performance poet, curator, and actress; creator of The Long Way Home
The Long Way Home (One-Woman Show)
Episode: Volume Seven: Chapter Four - Our Conversation with Leah V
Ebony Stewart
Educator, writer, poet, actress, playwright and author of Wash
Independent writer/poet (Button Poetry publisher)
Episode: Volume Seven - Chapter One - Our Conversation with Ebony Stewart
Kathryn MacDonald
Ontario-based educator, writer, painter, photographer; author of The Blue Gate
Frontenac House; Big Pond Rumors Chapbook Press
Episode: Volume Six: Chapter Twenty - Our Conversation with Kathryn MacDonald
Maria Giesbrecht
Writer, poet, curator, author of the forthcoming book A Little Feral
mariagiesbrecht.com / The Guelph Poet
Episode: Volume Six: Chapter Nineteen - Our Conversation with Maria Giesbrecht

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Mike Payne
Host of the show, guiding in-depth, long-form conversations with poets, writers, and creatives.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 13 ratings
  • Great and insightful conversations

    This podcast is so good that I subscribe to it on both my personal and work AppleIDs. Keep it up!!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    O for Labor
    United States6 years ago
  • Dope questions, dope vibez 🦾

    Keep goin!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    God's Ink
    United States6 years ago

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Great host, deep conversations that feel authentic and insightful.
Live performances add a vibrant dimension to the interviews.
A must-listen for lovers of contemporary poetry and literary culture.
The show showcases strong storytelling and thoughtful guest selection.

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Volume Seven: Chapter Eight - Our Conversation with Dasha Kelly
Q: How has the Milwaukee writing community evolved from 2003 to 2026, and what changed your perspective?
She notes increased visibility, more organized spaces, and a broad, collaborative ecosystem that supports writers of color; she attributes much of the shift to leadership, community building, and the willingness to create and sustain space for diverse voices.
Volume Seven: Chapter Eight - Our Conversation with Dasha Kelly
Q: And what does it mean to be a 'creative change agent' in your work and life?
Dasha explains that it means leveraging creativity to broker spaces, foster dialogue, and produce tangible social impact across different audiences, not just producing art for art's sake.
Volume Seven - Chapter One - Our Conversation with Ebony Stewart
Q: How has your process changed from earlier slam poetry to working on Wash?
She moved from autopilot performance to reading and revisiting her work as a reader, allowing raw emotion to surface and guiding the evolution of her craft with intention.
Volume Seven - Chapter One - Our Conversation with Ebony Stewart
Q: What was the turning point that allowed you to go full-time as an artist?
A mentor convinced her to take the leap, presenting contracts for a heavy February–March schedule, which pushed Ebony to commit to pursuing art full-time despite initial fear and lack of a formal plan.
Volume Six: Chapter Seventeen - Our Conversation with Kestral Gaian
Q: Do you think AI helps or hinders writers in developing their craft?
The guest suggests there is no easy answer; AI can be a tool for growth if used to complement the writer's process (e.g., editor-like feedback or drafting), but relying on it to replace the learning and practice that comes with writing is detrimental.

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A long-form conversation series centered on poets, writers, and creative practitioners who use language as a vehicle for truth-telling, healing, and resistance. Across episodes, listeners hear personal histories, craft insights, and cultural contexts shaping contemporary poetry, spoken word, and literary-artistic practice. Noteworthy threads include intimate storytelling, editorial processes, and how identity, community, and activism inform artistic work. The show often features live poetry or performance excerpts, in-depth discussions of publishing and career sustainability, and a candid look at the intersection of art with social issues. This combination makes it a rich fit for listeners who enjoy reflective, craft-forward interviews with... more

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3. Jennifer LoveGrove
4. Steven Seidenberg
5. Brenda Cardenas
6. Leah V
7. Ebony Stewart
8. Kathryn MacDonald

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