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The Devil You Don’t Know: Marriage, Mental Health & the Patterns That Shape Us

Lindsay Oakes & Cleveland Oakes
Self-Trust
Trauma
Mental Health
Consistency
Social Media
Relationships
Betrayal
Victimhood
Metta
Healing
Mindfulness
Meditation
Bhagavad Gita
Weight Loss
My Pretty Baby
The World Is Angry
Courage
Naples, Florida
Krishna Das
Gottman Institute

The Devil You Don’t Know is a candid mental-health and culture podcast hosted by married counselors Lindsay and Cleveland Oakes. Through humor, personal stories, honest disagreements, and practical psychology, they uncover the hidden patterns affecting our relationships, identities, families, and emotional lives. From mindfulness and healing to marriage, society, and the everyday messiness of bein... more

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Lindsay Oakes
Co-host and licensed marriage counselor focusing on relationships, mental health, and healing patterns.
Cleveland Oakes
Co-host and licensed marriage counselor focusing on relationships, mental health, and healing patterns.

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Wendy Correa Author of My Pretty Baby: How One Woman Rewrote Her Story And Broke The Cycle
Q: Can you share how therapy modalities like EMDR contributed to processing trauma while writing the book?
Wendy details using EMDR and image transformation during writing, which helped process memories and reduce triggering, alongside engagement with scholars in trauma and mindfulness.
Wendy Correa Author of My Pretty Baby: How One Woman Rewrote Her Story And Broke The Cycle
Q: What role did forgiveness and boundaries play in your healing, and how do you suggest listeners approach them?
The discussion centers on forgiving for oneself, not necessarily reconciling, and establishing boundaries to protect mental health, with emphasis on self-compassion as a precondition to genuine healing.
Wendy Correa Author of My Pretty Baby: How One Woman Rewrote Her Story And Broke The Cycle
Q: How did your memory of childhood events influence your healing journey and writing process?
She explains using sense memory from acting class to relive scenes, and how this process helped her access deeper emotions and detail, ultimately guiding her path to publication and healing.
Wendy Correa Author of My Pretty Baby: How One Woman Rewrote Her Story And Broke The Cycle
Q: What inspired you to write the book, and what themes did you want to illuminate for readers?
Wendy describes writing as autopsy work on her family, a way to expose intergenerational trauma, the healing power of narrative therapy, and a call to action for others to share their stories to break cycles.
A Conversation with Author John A. Vines: A Reflection on "The World is Angry": Murder, Meaning, And Modern Rage
Q: How does the killer's perspective serve the novel's commentary on anger and society?
The killer acts as a disturbing mirror to the protagonists' struggles, showcasing how anger can be rationalized when framed as art or justice, and how personal losses can spiral into violent actions if unresolved.

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This show centers on relationships, mental health, and personal growth through a candid, psychology-informed lens. Each episode blends practical tools from therapy with real-life anecdotes, humor, and thoughtful disagreements to explore patterns that shape identity, family dynamics, and everyday interactions. Topics frequently circle around boundaries, self-care, communication, and how mindfulness and spirituality intersect with relationships, offering listeners approachable strategies to reduce suffering and improve resilience. A notable strength is the hosts' collaborative dynamic as married counselors who openly share their experiences, making complex emotional topics accessible and actionable for couples, friends, and professionals alik... more

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