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Hosted by Leonie Haimson (Class Size Matters), Dr. Kaliris Salas-Ramirez and Daniel Alicea (Educators of NYC)

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Gothamist, “From burner phones to decks of cards: NYC teens are adjusting to the smartphone ban”

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Kaliris interviews Tom Sheppard, former CEC Bronx Representative on the Panel for Educational Policy, who reflects on his time on the Panel.

Alexandra Freidus, Unequal Lessons: School Diversity and Educational Inequality in New York City, nyupress.org/9781479827817/unequal-lessons/

Alexandra Freidus, CV, education.uconn.edu/person/alexandra-freidus/

WEB Dubois, Does the ... more

Ed Week, Senators—Including Republicans—Reject All of Trump’s Proposed Education Cuts, www.edweek.org/policy-politics/senators-including-republicans-reject-all-of-trumps-proposed-education-cuts/2025/07

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Recent Guests

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Amy Arundell
Veteran New York City educator, union organizer and UFT leader
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Audrey Watters
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Akil Bello
Testing expert and critic, Senior Director of Advocacy at FairTest
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Alaina Daniels
Founder of Trans formative Schools, focused on trans joy and social justice in education
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Episode: Trans formative Schools
Carol Burris
Executive Director of the Network for Public Education
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Episode: The potential impact of Project 2025 and the Presidential elections on our schools
Sarah Schachter-Arenberg
Vocational Rehabilitation Counselor and parent leader
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Cassie Creswell
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Hosts

Leonie Haimson
Host of Talk Out of School and advocate for public education, focusing on issues relating to class size and educational equity.
Daniel Alicea
Co-host and educator advocating for progressive educational reforms and addressing equity in public schooling.
Dr. Kaliris Salas-Ramirez
Co-host and educator, focusing on educational practices and reforms pertaining to equity and inclusion for diverse student populations.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 14 ratings
  • A must listen!

    Commercial free, locally controlled and totally relevant to the on the ground reality of schools.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    aharidop
    United States4 years ago
  • This is a great informative podcast

    For anyone interested in public education issues in NYC, or nationally, this is a must-listen. Every week there are engaging discussions and the co-hosts really know how to ask the right questions of their guests.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    lhaimson
    United States4 years ago
  • Voices for public education

    Leonie and Carol are lifelong advocates for public school children, and their incisive and data-driven arguments for the public good make for great podcast material!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    JWDetroit
    United States6 years ago

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Engaging conversations with knowledgeable guests are frequently highlighted, showing listeners value expert insights.
The hosts are commended for their advocacy and commitment to promoting better educational practices, resonating well with like-minded individuals.
Listeners appreciate the focus on vital public education issues, often mentioning the depth of informative discussions.

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Interview with Norm Scott, retired teacher, blogger & union activist
Q: When did you really get into union politics?
Scott began to engage with union politics during the strikes of 1967 and 1968 and got involved as a voice of dissent within the United Federation of Teachers.
Part II interview with Norm Scott, retired teacher, blogger & union activist
Q: What recent developments in UFT elections have energized activism?
Recent contentious healthcare agreements have reignited interest among retirees and other union members.
Part II interview with Norm Scott, retired teacher, blogger & union activist
Q: Why is it important to have an opposition within the United Federation of Teachers?
It provides a necessary check against unfavorable policies and promotes deeper engagement from teachers.
Interview with Dr. Akeem Marsh on cellphones & social media
Q: What can we do right now to help them get there?
Dr. Marsh emphasizes the need for collaboration and communication among caregivers, educators, and health care providers to support children's holistic development.
Interview with Dr. Akeem Marsh on cellphones & social media
Q: What do we say to them? What does that conversation sound like?
Dr. Marsh discusses the importance of monitoring and setting boundaries regarding screen time and suggests that discussions should include some rules and agreements between parents and children regarding technology use.

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What is Talk Out of School about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Engaging with pressing issues surrounding public education, the content focuses on the impact of educational policies, legislative changes, and challenges faced by schools in New York City and beyond. Episodes frequently feature conversations with educational leaders, advocates, and experts, discussing topics such as funding, union politics, the implications of artificial intelligence in education, and the importance of creating inclusive environments for students. Unique to this series is its emphasis on grassroots activism, contributing to a critical dialogue on educational reforms and the future of public schooling.

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