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Self Made Is a Myth: How Business Owners Escape the Messy Midde and Scale

Tim Campsall - The Messy Middle Guy
Leadership
Delegation
Messy Middle
Indianapolis
Systems
Entrepreneurship
Roman's Roofing LLC
Indiana
Hello Garage
Ovation Insurance
Mentorship
Artificial Intelligence
Indianapolis, United States
Velox Valuations
Myriad Fitness and Yoga
Ace Handyman Services
Sermon Shots
Systems and Processes
Shades Industrial
Studio 3 Design Incorporated

This podcast is for established business owners who feel busy, overwhelmed, and like too much still depends on them. Revenue is growing, the team is bigger, and opportunities keep showing up, but freedom and scalability aren’t.

This is the Messy Middle, and it’s where I do my best work. I’m Tim Campsall, The Messy Middle Guy, and I help established owner-led businesses get unstuck, scale, and bui... more

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Latest Episodes

Trying to grow your business, but still doing work your team should be able to handle?

In this episode of Self-Made Is a Myth, Tim Campsall, The Messy Middle Guy, sits down with Garrett Brown from Next Day Access. Garrett owns three territories cove... more

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Does everything still need your approval before work can move forward?

In this episode of Self-Made Is a Myth, Tim Campsall, The Messy Middle Guy, sits down with Scott Noel from Braun Property Development and Hallmark Homes. Scott shares what he lea... more

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Trying to scale your business, but still getting pulled back into the field?

This is what the Messy Middle looks like when the business has grown, but the owner is still the one customers, crews, and employees rely on to keep the work moving. The co... more

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Trying to grow your business while everything still runs through you?

This is what the Messy Middle looks like when the business has grown, the team is bigger, and the owner is no longer doing everything themselves, but employees still depend on the... more

Trying to scale your business, but still getting pulled back into the details?

In this episode of Self-Made Is a Myth, Tim Campsall, The Messy Middle Guy, sits down with Seth from Adler Attorneys. Adler Attorneys is a law firm in Hamilton County, In... more

Trying to grow your business, but still doing all the client work yourself?

This is what the Messy Middle looks like when referrals are coming in, but the owner is still the main capacity in the business. Growth slows when one person is doing the wo... more

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Trying to grow your business, but still doing too much of the follow-up yourself?

This is what the Messy Middle looks like when leads are coming in, but the owner is still carrying the process that turns interest into sales. Growth slows when follow... more

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Trying to grow your business, but still getting pulled back into parts of the work you don’t want to own?

This is what the Messy Middle looks like when growth creates new bottlenecks instead of removing old ones. As the business scales, solving one ... more

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Key Facts

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Podcast Host

Recent Guests

Garrett Brown
Owner of a Next Day Access franchise in Indiana
Next Day Access
Episode: #258: Doing Installations Yourself Leaves No Time To Grow | Garrett Brown
Scott Noel
Owner/Executive involved with Braun Property Development and Hallmark Homes
Braun Property Development; Hallmark Homes
Episode: #257: Doing It Yourself Prevents Manager Growth & Keeps You Stuck In Day-to-Day | Scott Noel
Austin Walls
Owner of Walls Furniture and Mattress; recent guest sharing growth lessons
Walls Furniture and Mattress (Kokomo, Indiana)
Episode: #255: Constant Questions Keep Owners Stuck In Operations | Austin Walls
Seth Wilson
Owner of Adler Attorneys, focus on estate planning and business consulting
Adler Attorneys
Episode: #254: Doing Your Own Data Entry Because You Don’t Trust Your Team Slows Growth | Seth Wilson
Angela Roberts
Owner of Main Accounting Services, niche specialist in law firm accounting
Main Accounting Services
Episode: #253: Can’t Take More Clients Because You Do The Work Even On Weekends | Angela Roberts
Wayne Purcell
Founder/CEO of AIRFeet
AIRFeet
Episode: #252: Chasing Leads Yourself Keeps Sales Stuck | Wayne Purcell
Nick Jaworski
Founder of Circle Social Inc, marketing agency focused on healthcare
Circle Social Inc
Episode: #251 Training Every New Hire Keeps You Stuck and Slows Growth | Nick Jaworski
Corey Alderin
Founder of Sermon Shots, converts church sermons into scalable digital content
Sermon Shots
Episode: #250:Can’t Step Away Because Your Team Waits On Your Decisions | Corey Alderin | Corey Alderin
Addison Newell
Founder/CEO of Provenient, a real estate/CO-working focused operator in Central Indiana
Provenient
Episode: #249: Work Stalls When You Must Approve Everything And Deadlines Slip | Addison Newell

Host

Tim Campsall
Host of the show and coach for owners in the messy middle

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 2 ratings
  • G.O.A.T.

    Not only great Coach, but great human being who cares.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Adamjohn34
    United States7 months ago

Listeners Say

Key themes from listener reviews, highlighting what works and what could be improved about the show.

Great focus on systems over hustle and hands-on leadership.
Solid examples across diverse industries; genuine coaching tone.
Consistently emphasizes mentorship and team-building over solo heroics.
Notable for practical, coachable guidance from real owners.
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Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

#258: Doing Installations Yourself Leaves No Time To Grow | Garrett Brown
Q: What lesson do you wish you'd learned sooner to get out of the day-to-day faster?
Invest in training and tools for your people, trust them to do their jobs, and hand off tasks so you can focus on higher-impact work.
#258: Doing Installations Yourself Leaves No Time To Grow | Garrett Brown
Q: What was the biggest surprise about ownership?
The stress level isn't as high as I expected once you delegate and build tolerance; things don't happen unless you actively make them happen, including driving the business forward and coordinating customers and partners.
Episode #182: Aaron Christy - Indy Roof & Restoration
Q: What was one of your biggest challenges and who helped you through it?
He discusses sales growth, fulfilling capacity, and then shifting focus to operations. He credits multiple mentors and peers, including a COO candidate he brought on after recognizing gaps in leadership and people management, and the Eight Figure Contractors group for ongoing guidance and accountability.
Episode #182: Aaron Christy - Indy Roof & Restoration
Q: What's your full background and how did you get into the roofing business?
Aaron describes growing up in Indianapolis and Brazil, Indiana, moving between rural and urban environments, starting in sales, and eventually pivoting from a furniture/retail track to roofing after a summer storm and watching the potential for a scalable, relationship-driven business. He emphasizes leveraging real estate partners, realtors, and an ever-learning mindset as foundations for growth.
Episode #181: Jerry Connor - Bier Brewery
Q: What has been your biggest learning as a business owner?
The biggest learning has been understanding people—how to read them, navigate biases, and recognize that diverse perspectives from family and partners can dramatically improve decision-making and operations.

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This show serves as a practical playbook for business owners trying to break free from day-to-day firefighting and scale with systems, leadership, and disciplined decision-making. Across episodes, guests share how they moved from owner-led work to scalable structures—hiring the right people, implementing SOPs, delegating with guardrails, and building leadership layers like an integrator or COO. Real-world case studies span industries from construction and landscaping to law, manufacturing, and real estate, illustrating common bottlenecks, mindset shifts, and the personal costs of growth. A standout through-line is the emphasis on people, process, and perspective—highlighting mentorship, coaching, and the value of outside voices in accelerat... more

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Recent guests on this podcast include:

1. Garrett Brown
2. Scott Noel
3. Austin Walls
4. Seth Wilson
5. Angela Roberts
6. Wayne Purcell
7. Nick Jaworski
8. Corey Alderin

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