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Harvard Law School
Access To Justice Lab
Expungement
Common Rule
Divorce
Child Welfare
Kansas
Pretrial Detention
Employment
Involuntary Commitment
IRB
Housing
Failure To Appear
Civil Forfeiture
Artificial Intelligence
Eviction
Pro Se Litigants
Randomized Controlled Trial
Unauthorized Practice Of Law
Medicine

The Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School discusses the work of bringing credible evidence to lawyers, judges, and decision makers, to transform the U.S. justice system into an evidence-based field. We bring you weekly one-on-one interviews with experts in the area of access to justice -- researchers, lawyers, professors, law students, data analysts, research participants, and anyone who has... more

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"My criminal record doesn't reflect who I am anymore."

This sentiment overwhelmingly topped the list of reasons why expungement study participants wanted to clear their record that it seemed plausible to predict that clearing one's criminal record wo... more

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The A2J Lab's randomized control trial on expungement examined the uptake and obstacles of criminal record clearing while also looking into its effect on various socio-economic outcomes. This week's Proof Over Precedent episode gathers study research... more

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Is the form-filling expungement process as easy for unrepresented individuals as some believe? In this week's Proof Over Precedent episode, host Jim Greiner welcomes the A2J Lab team involved in our long-running Kansas-based study looking at the curr... more

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Facing an eviction, a tenant has to decide if the added expense of an attorney is worth it for the possibility of avoiding an eviction judgment. In a discussion of a randomized controlled trial outside the A2J Lab, Faculty Director Jim Greiner talks ... more

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Recent Guests

Patricia Gantz
Data analyst
Justice Lab
Episode: Episode 54: Will Clearing a Criminal Record Lead to Happiness (and Housing)?
Ryan Halen
Data analyst
Access to Justice Lab
Episode: Episode 54: Will Clearing a Criminal Record Lead to Happiness (and Housing)?
Marilyn Hart
Retired executive director of Kansas Legal Services
Kansas Legal Services
Episode: Episode 53: Expungement Expectations vs. Reality in Employment
Aviv Caspi
Economist, researcher on eviction policy
University of Chicago Law School (MLS); previously Cornell; Stanford law/economics collaboration
Episode: Episode 51: How Lawyers and Rental Assistance Impact Eviction Cases
Charlie Rafkin
Assistant Professor of Economics
University of British Columbia
Episode: Episode 51: How Lawyers and Rental Assistance Impact Eviction Cases
Ellen Murphy
Professor, Wake Forest Law
Wake Forest University School of Law
Episode: Episode 50: Pro Se Litigants, AI, and the Future of Legal Assistance
Elizabeth Guo
Student in the Access to Justice seminar at HLS
Harvard Law School
Episode: Episode 49: AI and the Future of Legal Aid—Navigating Unauthorized Practice
Sydney Nelson
Classmate of Elizabeth Guo
Harvard Law School
Episode: Episode 49: AI and the Future of Legal Aid—Navigating Unauthorized Practice
Nora Engstrom
Ernest W. McFarland Professor of Law at Stanford Law School; co-director of the Deborah L. Roady Center on the Legal Profession
Stanford Law School; Roady Center
Episode: Episode 48: Legal Evolution from Auto Clubs to Access Barriers

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Jim Greiner
Host of Proof Over Precedent, Harvard Law School; leads Access to Justice Lab

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Episode 51: How Lawyers and Rental Assistance Impact Eviction Cases
Q: What were the primary outcomes you looked at?
The main outcome was eviction judgments, with supporting evidence including non-suits and writs to gauge broader court outcomes related to evictions.
Episode 49: AI and the Future of Legal Aid—Navigating Unauthorized Practice
Q: Okay, so unauthorized practice of law or UPL, can you walk us through what that means?
UPL rules broadly prohibit practicing law without being a licensed attorney, with variations by state; the conversation details differing definitions and the potential for enforcement, including civil penalties or criminal sanctions.
Episode 49: AI and the Future of Legal Aid—Navigating Unauthorized Practice
Q: Awesome. Thanks so much for having me. Can you first share what inspired you to write about AI and UPL?
Elizabeth explains that she observed many news articles about AI in law and wanted to explore how AI could impact pro se litigants, access to justice, and the boundary between legal information and legal advice in UPL contexts.
Episode 50: Pro Se Litigants, AI, and the Future of Legal Assistance
Q: How do we think about balancing AI benefits with the risk of mistakes and hallucinations?
We should favor regulatory and educational approaches that protect consumers without stifling access, using supervised deployment, tailored datasets, and clear disclosures rather than broad prohibition of AI for pro se users.
Episode 50: Pro Se Litigants, AI, and the Future of Legal Assistance
Q: What should be the relationship between pro se litigants and AI, and why?
Pro se litigants should have access to the same kinds of tools as licensed professionals, recognizing their need for accessible, appropriate, and transparent AI tools; however, safeguards and appropriate human support are essential to ensure quality and protect consumers.

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A philosophy-forward legal-policy show that routinely stitches together rigorous research with practical policy design. Across recent episodes, the conversations center on access to justice, the effectiveness of legal aid and court-system reforms, and the intersection of technology (notably AI) with civil justice. Guests tend to be academics, researchers, and practitioners who bring empirical evidence, historical context, or policy design insight to concrete issues like eviction policy, child welfare, and pretrial justice. The format often features researchers explaining study designs (randomized trials, field experiments) and practitioners discussing scalable solutions, making it valuable for listeners who want evidence-based perspectives ... more

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