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The Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School discusses the work of bringing credible evidence to lawyers, judges, and decision makers, to transform the U.S. justice system into an evidence-based field. We bring you weekly one-on-one interviews with experts in the area of access to justice -- researchers, lawyers, professors, law students, data analysts, research participants, and anyone who has... more

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This week's "Student Voices" episode of Proof Over Precedent explores access to justice issues for incarcerated parents in the child welfare system. HLS student Mia Robertson looks at the process of removing a child from a home, working toward perman... more

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This week, Proof Over Precedent speaks with Melody Webb, Founder and Executive Director of the Mother's Outreach Network, a Washington, DC-based racial justice and anti-poverty organization that the Access to Justice Lab partnered with in its Mother ... more

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A2J Lab Director and Professor Jim Greiner sat down with five A2J Lab staff members to discuss "Mother Up", a DC guaranteed income pre-pilot program with Mothers Outreach Network for Black mothers with recent CFSA involvement. The privately funded pr... more

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The Empower Parents with Resources Study is the largest randomized control trial of the effect of unrestricted cash gifts on child maltreatment in the United States. Researchers aim to find out if a reduction in financial stress equals a reduction in... more

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Melody Webb
Executive director and founder of Mothers Outreach Network (MOND/MON)
Mothers Outreach Network
Episode: Episode 41: How Evidence-Based Research Could Transform the Child Welfare System
William Schneider
Professor at University of Illinois School of Social Work; Faculty Director of Children and Family Research Center
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Episode: Episode 40: EmPwR Study–How Financial Support Means Family Support
Emily Suski
Professor and founder of CHAMPS Medical-Legal Partnership
University of South Carolina Law School
Episode: Episode 39: On the Medical-Legal Collaboration Pioneering Child Welfare Solutions
Strong Ma
Harvard Law School 2L, author of a blog post on AI in law and medicine
Harvard Law School
Episode: Episode 38: Fair or Foul--AI in Medicine and Law
Jon Hanson
Professor focusing on systemic justice, legitimacy of the legal system, and law and mind sciences
Harvard Law School
Episode: Episode 38: Fair or Foul--AI in Medicine and Law
Matthew Stubenberg
President of Stubenberg Legal Group; former Access to Justice Lab contributor
Stubenberg Legal Group; Access to Justice Lab
Episode: Episode 36: Record Clearing Insights: How Data Can Impact Policy
Marilyn Harp
Former executive director of Kansas Legal Services
Kansas Legal Services
Episode: Episode 35: Legal Hurdles in Expungement: A Kansas Case Study
Hannah Crowe
Researcher and former Harvard Law School student
The Access to Justice Lab / Berndtrest LLP
Episode: Episode 35: Legal Hurdles in Expungement: A Kansas Case Study
Sanya Starr
Criminal and constitutional law scholar, University of Chicago; economist by training
University of Chicago
Episode: Episode 34: Studying the Expungement Paradox

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Jim Greiner
Host of Proof Over Precedent

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Episode 42: Can Financial (and Other) Support Help Reduce Child Welfare Involvement in Neglect Cases?
Q: How do Phase 2 outcomes relate to broader policy goals?
Outcomes support changes like shifting cash provision responsibilities away from punitive agencies toward supportive, trusted community organizations and policies such as unconditional cash and targeted tax credits.
Episode 42: Can Financial (and Other) Support Help Reduce Child Welfare Involvement in Neglect Cases?
Q: What did success look like at the start of Phase 2?
Success was framed as the cash transfers helping families move out of crisis, building trust, and ethically and practically validating the model.
Episode 42: Can Financial (and Other) Support Help Reduce Child Welfare Involvement in Neglect Cases?
Q: What is Mother's Outreach Network hoping to accomplish with Phase 2?
MON aims to use an evidence-based approach with Harvard's involvement to demonstrate that cash transfers can improve outcomes for families and inform policy decisions.
Episode 5: Can Simple, Affordable Ideas Improve Courts’ Costly Failure-to-Appear Rates?
Q: Why wasn't the ticket redesign itself randomized in New York?
Because it was rolled out via officers using up their existing pads of tickets, making a full randomization across precincts impractical; instead, a regression discontinuity design was used to infer the impact.
Episode 5: Can Simple, Affordable Ideas Improve Courts’ Costly Failure-to-Appear Rates?
Q: What were the two main interventions studied in New York?
Redesigning the traffic ticket/summons to clarify the court date and adding a text-message reminder system for those who provided a phone number, with the ticket redesign deployed first to enable collection of phone numbers for reminders.

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This show focuses on applying credible evidence to real-world justice problems. Across episodes, discussions center on data-driven policy, access to justice, and the practical impact of research on law, policing, and court administration. Guests are often academics, researchers, and practitioners from law schools and policy institutes who dissect complex issues like expungement, pretrial detention, arbitration vs. litigation, and how regulatory or procedural reforms play out in practice. A standout element is the consistent emphasis on methodological rigor, empirical findings, and translating research into actionable reforms, sometimes featuring novel topics like AI in medicine versus law, or the ethics of IRB oversight in criminal justice ... more

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