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Harvard Law School
Access To Justice Lab
Expungement
Access To Justice
Common Rule
Artificial Intelligence
Divorce
Pro Se Litigants
Child Welfare
Kansas
Pretrial Detention
Immigration
Employment
Involuntary Commitment
IRB
Housing
Failure To Appear
Civil Forfeiture
Eviction
Randomized Controlled Trial

The Access to Justice Lab at Harvard Law School discusses the work of bringing credible evidence to lawyers, judges, and decision makers, to transform the U.S. justice system into an evidence-based field. We bring you weekly one-on-one interviews with experts in the area of access to justice -- researchers, lawyers, professors, law students, data analysts, research participants, and anyone who has... more

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Pro se litigants have reason to hope for a better civil courtroom experience with active judging. If done right, this reform promises more clarity and mercy for those unfamiliar with legal procedures, and better fact-finding and balanced evidence for... more

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Is it time for an inquisitorial legal system? How about a redesigned "lawyer-less" court? This isn't the wild west of the legal world, but rather a lively discussion among three access to justice advocates on the merits–or rather shortcomings–of a pu... more

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When it comes to immigration, the legal aid sector has pivoted its resources from affirmative relief for immigrants to defense deportation and detention center intakes. In this "Student Voices" podcast, the discussion between fellow Harvard Law Schoo... more

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Labor movements have had to get creative when it comes to labor justice for immigrant workers. That's where worker centers fill the niche not covered by traditional labor unions. In this Proof Over Precedent episode, HLS Professor Sharon Block, execu... more

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Liliana Yearns
Author of a blog post Why Active Judging Isn't Working Yet
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Episode: Episode 61: The Promise and Pitfalls of Active Judging
Ben Barton
Professor of Law at University of Tennessee, Knoxville
University of Tennessee College of Law
Episode: Episode 60: Beyond Gideon—Rethinking Access to Justice
Stephanos Bibas
Judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit; former professor
University of Pennsylvania Law School; Third Circuit Judge
Episode: Episode 60: Beyond Gideon—Rethinking Access to Justice
Sharon Block
Professor of law and practice, former government official, executive director for the Center for Labor and a Just Economy
Harvard Law School; Center for Labor and a Just Economy
Episode: Episode 58: Labor Innovations Bridge Access-to-Justice Gap for Immigrants
Emily Irigoyen
Second-year law student, president of the Harvard Immigration Project, board member of the Harvard Legal Aid Bureau
Harvard Law School
Episode: Episode 58: Labor Innovations Bridge Access-to-Justice Gap for Immigrants
Aristana Scourtas
Product and Research Manager at the Harvard Law School Library Innovation Lab
Harvard Law School Library Innovation Lab
Episode: Episode 57: Libraries and AI—Partners for Accessible Justice?
Joshua Medina
Legal director at JusticiaLab
JusticiaLab
Episode: Episode 55: Navigating Workplace Justice Through an AI Lens
Andrew Garcia
3L at Harvard Law School discussing wage theft and immigrant worker issues
Harvard Law School
Episode: Episode 55: Navigating Workplace Justice Through an AI Lens
Patricia Gantz
Data analyst
Justice Lab
Episode: Episode 54: Will Clearing a Criminal Record Lead to Happiness (and Housing)?

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Jim Greiner
Host of Proof Over Precedent, Harvard Law School; leads Access to Justice Lab

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Episode 60: Beyond Gideon—Rethinking Access to Justice
Q: What is your stance on the effectiveness of expanding lawyer involvement across civil cases?
The panelists argue that simply expanding lawyers across all civil cases has not been proven to improve outcomes and can be wasteful if not funded appropriately; evidence suggests a need for selective triage and system designs that reduce dependence on lawyers for all tasks.
Episode 60: Beyond Gideon—Rethinking Access to Justice
Q: Can you give us a reaction to Turner v. Rogers and the civil Gideon debate?
Turner v. Rogers shows the court tying due process to access to justice in a civil context, suggesting that states may provide substitutes to a full free lawyer, such as procedural safeguards and on-record questioning, rather than an automatic right to counsel in every civil case.
Episode 57: Libraries and AI—Partners for Accessible Justice?
Q: You were working as a software engineer before, when you were trying to design AI tools, what are some of the important considerations, for example, the privacy issues?
Key considerations include the interface design and the need to avoid over-trusting AI, privacy of chats and data, and ensuring tools provide helpful pathways rather than definitive legal advice, with a push toward local or private services when possible.
Episode 57: Libraries and AI—Partners for Accessible Justice?
Q: So I was wondering in your view, what does it mean for a tech tool to be accessible for people, core phasing digital barriers?
The guest explains that accessibility includes finding things (FAIR), actual usability, interoperability, reusability, and enduring usefulness, with emphasis on making tools usable across different contexts and users, including those with disabilities.
Episode 57: Libraries and AI—Partners for Accessible Justice?
Q: Can you tell us a little bit about yourself, your backgrounds and experiences, especially your current role at the HLS Innovation Lab and the kinds of project you work on?
Aristana describes a varied career centered on research, access to information, and education, with experience in software engineering, AI/ML in scientific domains, data infrastructure, teaching, and community organizing, leading to a focus on helping people access information and understanding systems.

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A philosophy-forward legal-policy show that routinely stitches together rigorous research with practical policy design. Across recent episodes, the conversations center on access to justice, the effectiveness of legal aid and court-system reforms, and the intersection of technology (notably AI) with civil justice. Guests tend to be academics, researchers, and practitioners who bring empirical evidence, historical context, or policy design insight to concrete issues like eviction policy, child welfare, and pretrial justice. The format often features researchers explaining study designs (randomized trials, field experiments) and practitioners discussing scalable solutions, making it valuable for listeners who want evidence-based perspectives ... more

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