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Uncovering patterns of change in media, culture, and technology, each week media veterans Brian Morrissey, Alex Schleifer and Troy Young break down stuff that matters. Get our newsletters: www.peoplevsalgorithms.com/ www.therebooting.com/ www.peoplevsalgorithms.com

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An anonymous developer used Claude to ship open-source clones of Adobe’s big five, then Word, Excel, Keynote, AutoCAD and Figma within days, and the lesson is that software is a business of pure margin with less moat than anyone thought. Packaged sof... more

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This week we dig into how much of the economy is built on friction, and what happens when AI agents start removing it. Also: why students are so gloomy about AI, Vanity Fair’s New Establishment list and who gets to confer legitimacy on tech, a vibe-c... more

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Brian, Troy and Alex debate who will control the interface to your life, whether convenience will steamroll privacy concerns, and how the winner gets to collect a toll on everything you buy. Plus: Silicon Valley’s makeover of government, what comes n... more

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Brian and Troy dig into Muse, Meta’s push to make AI assistants mainstream, and why the next big platform battle is over the interface itself. They also look at what this shift means for publishers, commerce and media companies that increasingly risk... more

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Recent Guests

Lachlan Cartwright
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Episode: The AI Interface Shift
Barry Weiss
Mentioned guest/figures in coverage discussions
Bloomberg / New York Magazine contributor
Episode: The AI Interface Shift
John West
Author of The Internet Will Die and So Will You
Wall Street Journal (computational journalist)
Episode: Owning the Narrative
Bobby Fingers
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Independent artist/YouTube
Episode: The Provenance Problem
CJ Gustafson
Founder of Mostly Metrics, CFO-focused advisor
Mostly Metrics
Episode: In Praise of Aggregation
Bridget Williams
Chief product and strategy officer
San Francisco Chronicle
Episode: Protecting Alpha
Ana Andjelic
Guest appearance discussing A24 and creator culture
A24 (cited in discussion)
Episode: Cannes is CES with Rosé
Emily Sundberg
Guest, recurring contributor
Episode: New Media Energy
Pablos Holman
Technologist, investor, and hacker known for his contributions to deep tech breakthroughs
Episode: Getting Mad At Toasters

Hosts

Brian Morrissey
Host with deep expertise analyzing media, technology, and culture; long-time industry veteran.
Alex Schleifer
Co-host and contributor with insights on product design, technology, and media. Brings design/tech perspective to discussions.
Troy Young
Co-host offering perspectives from journalism, media leadership, and industry strategy.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 161 ratings
  • Lib garbage

    Just another show presented as centrist, discussing superficial issues…. 3 minutes in talking about Trump. Nothing interesting or original here.

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    Bryzness Man
    United States9 months ago
  • Bruh, Troy

    That Hollywood episode….solidified why I find Troy so grating. I wanna say he’s giving Old Head but that’s not fair. Just very indignant when challenged. You guys got him a bit mad though lol

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Ktp15
    United Kingdom10 months ago
  • It’s back and getting better

    I’m enjoying the new vibes of the show. The insight is strong, and the conversations remain sharp and prescient. AB is a solid addition because knowing where dinner hangs for these media/tech companies informs so much about their behavior.

    The one thing that keeps it from being a full five stars for me is the inconsistency of the voices. When Troy or Alex are out, the balance shifts, and that mix is a big part of what makes the show work. Brian holds the center well. His takes are measured but ... more

    Apple Podcasts
    4
    jlw9000
    United Statesa year ago
  • Best Insight to Noise Ratio Out There

    Just brilliant. I’m a psychologist working on the impact of tech on our minds, and Troy, Brian and Alex consistently deliver the best insight to noise ratio you’ll find in the podcast world. If I could only listen to one podcast for original ideas, inspiration and insight, PVA would be it. Absolutely fabulous.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    paulsmarsden
    United Kingdoma year ago
  • Turn down the boomer in Troy AI

    There’s something that I’m getting from this pod that is unique… so even though you’re a sexless Fleetwood Mac, please don’t breakup. But, why is Troy always at Alex’s throat? I’m pretty sure that we’re all 75% listening this for the insight of how tech will change media. Why so angry at the most tech-forward amount you — that being Alex? Troy, you have a beautiful, boomer(ing) voice. You’re already turned up to 11. Only Spinal Tap wants that.

    Apple Podcasts
    4
    Roy Stan
    United States2 years ago

Listeners Say

Key themes from listener reviews, highlighting what works and what could be improved about the show.

Some reviews call for more balance when hosts disagree, but quality remains high.
Listeners appreciate the pragmatic take on AI and media business.
Guests and topics are consistently relevant to media, tech, and branding.
Insightful, well‑reasoned debates with strong host chemistry.

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#238
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#198
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#235
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#236
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#245
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Talking Points

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The AI Interface Shift
Q: What is Muse and why is it significant for publishers and consumers?
Muse is an AI agent that can understand a user, connect with various apps, and perform tasks across platforms, effectively creating a new interface to daily digital activities like email and content management. Its speed, friendliness, and ability to act as a personal assistant make it potentially transformative for both consumer use and how publishers think about data, interfaces, and monetization.
Brittle Apple
Q: What kind of person do you think would be ideal to replace Tim Cook?
It definitely needs to be a product person and somebody that's close to developers.
Brittle Apple
Q: Alex, why don't you just start us off, where is Apple at this moment?
They are at their most brittle, and for the first time in a long time, the people aren't rooting for them.
The Taste Premium
Q: Can taste be learned or is it innate?
Taste is not innate; it can be actively developed through exposure, education, and cultural engagement.
The Taste Premium
Q: What is taste?
Taste is often a form of gatekeeping that influences status and identity, while also being a fluid concept that can be developed over time.

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Three veteran media and tech observers unpack how AI, platforms, and the economics of attention reshape media, culture, and advertising. Episodes center on openAI models, data ownership, branding, creator economies, and the tension between aggregation, subscription vs. ad-supported strategies, and the power of platforms. A distinctive vibe combines sharp analysis with candid debates, personal anecdotes, and industry insider color, offering practical takeaways for publishers, brands, and product teams navigating a rapidly changing landscape.

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