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Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.

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My guest today is longtime friend of the show Joanna Stern. You all know Joanna: she is the former senior personal technology columnist for The Wall Street Journal, a former Decoder guest host, one of my co-founders at The Verge, and also just one of... more

Hey, everyone, Nilay here. We’re off today, while the team and I are cooking on a lot of really great stuff in the coming weeks. We’ll be back with an all-new interview on Monday.

In the meantime, we really wanted to highlight this episode we first ... more

It’s become an annual tradition to have Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi join us in the studio when he comes to New York for Uber’s big Go-Get event every year. This year, the big news was that Uber's expanding into a much larger platform for travel, start... more

This is Nick Statt, senior producer on Decoder. We last ran a mailbag episode during the holidays, and we decided it was a good idea to do that kind of thing more often. So we’re back with Nilay as the guest, answering questions and responding to fee... more

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Recent Guests

Dara Khosrowshahi
CEO of Uber
Uber
Episode: Dara Khosrowshahi on replacing Uber drivers — and himself — with AI
Jennifer Scanlon
CEO of UL Solutions
UL Solutions
Episode: That UL safety logo is a lot more complicated than it looks
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Episode: THE PEOPLE DO NOT YEARN FOR AUTOMATION
Ronan Farrow
Investigative reporter and The New Yorker contributor
The New Yorker
Episode: Ronan Farrow on Sam Altman's "unconstrained" relationship with the truth
Sarah Personette
CEO of Puck
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Episode: Can Puck’s CEO reinvent the news business for the influencer age?
Hayden Field
The Verge senior AI reporter
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Episode: The AI industry's existential race for profits
Chuck Robbins
CEO of Cisco
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Episode: Cisco CEO Chuck Robbins wants data centers in space
Casey Newton
Founder and Editor, Platformer; co-host of Hard Fork
Platformer
Episode: A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?
Shishir Mehrotra
CEO of Superhuman (formerly Grammarly), on the board of directors at Spotify
Superhuman
Episode: Confronting the CEO of the AI company that impersonated me

Host

Nilay Patel
Editor-in-Chief of The Verge, known for his engaging interviews with decision-makers across technology and business, aiming to uncover deeper societal insights and implications.

Reviews

4.3 out of 5 stars from 5.5k ratings
  • Identify?

    Very timely excellent interview. Our nonprofit is currently evaluating

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    BalayAdvisory
    United Statesa month ago
  • Satisfying

    It’s incredibly satisfying to watch Nilay hold tech leaders accountable while delivering real journalism on the most important tech developments of this era. Truly a refreshing approach to get to the bottom of critical issues, and avoid the classic canned talking points. Excellent conversation, journalism, and tech reporting.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    estuhldreher
    United Statesa month ago
  • Superhuman=gross

    Listening to the CEO weasel around being caught dead to rights trying to exploit real journalists without compensation and while misleading users is disgusting.

    All these AI shills are just acting without any responsibility or thought beyond “make me money, AI”

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    0xbeepBoop
    United States2 months ago
  • Nilay is an OG tech journalist.He told us about the Sprint HTC Arrive bitd. Always pushing the envelope but still getting good peeps to share inside dope with all of us geeks. Thanks Nilay and Team.(I know it takes a team, he's not that good).

    Podcast Addict
    5
    Tranjun
    2 months ago
  • Love the show, Hasbro CEO is a joke

    Of course he’s a Slytherin. His BS refuse to take a stance side while simultaneously trying to make people believe he cares about diversity was laughable. This guy finally made me write a review to just put him on blast.

    Nilay I love you. Thank you for always pushing your guests on serious matters.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    theotherallen
    United States2 months ago

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#206
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How to win — or lose — Decoder
Q: How do you think about the tension between journalism and entertainment in interviews with tech leaders?
We try to balance tough questions with fair treatment, using accountability as a feature of the show rather than a gimmick, and we believe this honesty benefits both the audience and the guests.
Dara Khosrowshahi on replacing Uber drivers — and himself — with AI
Q: Why trust computers to make policy-like determinations for customer service instead of relying solely on human judgment?
Because the model can learn from the population as a whole and be more trackable and tunable than individual humans, while allowing contextual outcomes that reflect real-world conditions, not just static rules.
Dara Khosrowshahi on replacing Uber drivers — and himself — with AI
Q: So last year on Decoder, I asked how you make decisions, and you talked about one-way doors and two-way doors. Has your fundamental framework changed with these new AI-driven bets?
The fundamental framework hasn't changed, but we're pushing the company toward smart risk-taking and larger-scale bets, accepting that some will fail while others will deliver exponential value, especially in areas like autonomous driving and platform expansion.
Canva's CEO on its big pivot to AI enterprise software
Q: What is the decision-making process behind Canva 2.0 and the AI shift—was it top-down or collaborative across teams?
The move was catalyzed by a significant internal breakthrough and then scaled through a goal-oriented, cross-functional team approach with weekly show-and-tells to coordinate hundreds of contributors across the company.
Canva's CEO on its big pivot to AI enterprise software
Q: How does Canva handle the cost and choice of model providers, and what about token usage versus running its own models?
Canva uses a mix of external models (OpenAI, Anthropic) and its own proprietary models, with a strategy to minimize costs by running and iterating on their own designs where it makes sense, while keeping flexibility to swap models for the right task.

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