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Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.

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My guest today is Hayden Field, The Verge’s senior AI reporter, and we're discussing the new wave of consumer friendly AI agents. AI enthusiasts have been using agents for a minute now, but the launch of Meta’s Muse, OpenAI’s Dots, and XAI’s Grok Bot... more

California Sen. Adam Schiff sits on a bunch of the committees that do tech and AI oversight, so I really wanted to ask him about how we might regulate anything related to the tech industry at this moment in time.

He started our conversation by talki... more

Hey everybody, it’s Nilay. We’ve got a little bonus drop for you today — I was recently interviewed about AI safety by Shumita Basu for Apple News In Conversation, and I enjoyed the conversation so much I asked if we could share it with you all.

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Recent Guests

Shumita Basu
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Episode: The AI warnings are getting louder
Josh Dzieza
Features writer at The Verge
The Verge
Episode: How Utah locals fought Kevin O'Leary's AI data center
Mike Cannon-Brookes
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Matthew Prince
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Episode: Can Cloudflare save the web from AI?
Tom Conrad
CEO of Sonos
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Episode: How Sonos rebooted itself
Kathy Hochul
Governor of New York
Office of the Governor of New York
Episode: New York Governor Kathy Hochul thinks AI should be ‘less evil’
Tim Cadogan
CEO of GoFundMe
GoFundMe
Episode: How GoFundMe became America's backup plan
Robert Hart
London-based AI reporter for The Verge
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Episode: Welcome to the AI crisis in math
Ben Smith
Editor-in-Chief of Semafor
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Episode: It's about ethics in journalism, with Ben Smith

Host

Nilay Patel
Editor-in-chief of The Verge; host of this show, guiding conversations with policymakers, executives, and industry experts.

Reviews

4.3 out of 5 stars from 5.6k ratings
  • Loved the creator economy interview

    I thought this interview did a great job of explaining how the business works from the creators' agents' POV while flagging the threat that AI may pose very soon to creators.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    PhillyGirl99
    United States3 months ago
  • Your chat with Patreon’s CEO

    Straight talking, emotionally intelligent & realist commentary - more guests like this please, Decoder team

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    DRBLDN
    United Kingdom3 months ago
  • The eyes have it

    I don’t come for the guests or the topics or the tech. I come for the mellifluous voice, his yacht rock vibe and to get lost in his eyes. Oh, and of course, Taylor Swift. She’ll show. A 🧒 can hope?😘😎☺️🙈😏😁😳

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    HadMadBadnSadRadGladDad
    United States4 months ago
  • just YouTube shows without video, still great though

    All of the Verge podcasts need a podcast app video option. This one is OK but the other shows have seemingly a dozen (fascinating and well-informed!) people interrupting each other, visual aids, and videos. At least make one available for The Verge subscribers, please, many of us don’t also subscribe to YouTube and find it completely unusable and even offensive.

    This particular podcast has some really great interviews with journalists and experts, and some absolutely infuriating interviews wi... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Blizzard1s2d
    United States4 months ago
  • Not Just For Techbros!!

    A podcast that talks about tech with normal people in mind? Who would have imagined such a thing could exist. It is refreshing to hear talk about tech take the social world into account instead of pretending it doesn’t exist. This podcast gives a way better perspective than most tech podcasts. The hosts care about “why” questions and not just bootlicking for billionaires

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    northshorestalker
    United States5 months ago

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Listeners appreciate tough, accountability-focused interviews with tech leaders and reporters who challenge industry narratives.
The creator-economy and platform-economy episodes are frequently highlighted as insightful and practical for practitioners.
Some reviews caution about perceived political bias or lengthy ad breaks; feedback on pacing and balance varies.

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#62
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#75
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#157
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#162
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Can Cloudflare save the web from AI?
Q: What role should big platforms play in ensuring a healthy information ecosystem?
Platforms must be transparent about crawling and data access, support a fair payment model for content, and help fund reliable information. Even incumbents like Google are evolving to share more transparency and align incentives so the ecosystem can flourish rather than be a race to extract attention.
Can Cloudflare save the web from AI?
Q: Why did Cloudflare lay off a large portion of its staff, and how did you decide who to cut?
We used a builder-seller-measure framework, recognizing AI will augment many roles. We cut roles focused on measurement and audit while preserving builders and sellers. We also aimed to minimize disruption by relocating some people and focusing on how to re-skill the workforce for a more AI-enabled future.
Can Cloudflare save the web from AI?
Q: Describe what you think the current business model of the Internet is and how it should evolve in the AI era.
The Internet has long been fueled by advertising, but automated and non-human traffic is changing the economics. A new model could involve per-access payments or microtransactions funded by AI agents, with platforms like Cloudflare enabling the infrastructure for those payments while ensuring content creators are compensated for access, not just for clicks.
Can John Ternus find Apple's next big thing?
Q: Is Apple pursuing in-house AI or primarily partnering with others?
Gurman indicates a cautious approach: early signs point to patience and partnerships (Google, OpenAI) rather than a rushed, fully in-house AI stack, with a potential shift back to in-house work depending on the market and strategic outcomes.
Can John Ternus find Apple's next big thing?
Q: What does the Apple product roadmap look like under Ternus, especially regarding AI-native devices?
The roadmap appears to include AI-native devices such as a smart home hub with an AI OS, wearables like smart glasses, and AirPods with cameras, with a focus on integrating AI across devices rather than relying solely on the iPhone as the hub.

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A thoughtful tech and policy program that surfaces conversations at the intersection of business strategy, regulation, and social impact. Recent episodes center on AI ethics and governance, data privacy, and how big tech, media, and creators navigate shifts in regulation, platform power, and consumer trust. The show often features senior reporters, industry executives, and policymakers who pull back the curtain on how decisions in AI, data, and digital commerce shape everyday life. Notable strengths include rigorous interviewing that challenges power, a newsroom-informed lens on technology's societal implications, and a willingness to cover hard questions facing industry leaders across sectors like advertising, automotive, and media. For po... more

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