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Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.

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This is Nick Statt, senior producer on Decoder. We last ran a mailbag episode during the holidays, and we decided it was a good idea to do that kind of thing more often. So we’re back with Nilay as the guest, answering questions and responding to fee... more

Jennifer Scanlon is CEO of UL Solutions, one of those hidden-in-plain-sight companies we like to poke at here on Decoder. UL's been around for more than 100 years; it started as a way for insurance companies to standardize fire and safety testing as ... more

Today on Decoder, I want to lay out an idea that's been banging around my head for weeks now as we've been reporting on AI and having conversations here on this show. I've been calling it software brain, and it's a particular way of seeing the world ... more

The last time Canva CEO Melanie Perkins was on Decoder, the company was starting a big push into enterprise. Now, she's leading it through a total reinvention, going, in Canva's words, "from a design platform with AI tools to an AI platform with desi... more

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Recent Guests

Satya Nadella
Microsoft CEO (mentioned as a guest in the episode)
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Episode: THE PEOPLE DO NOT YEARN FOR AUTOMATION
Melanie Perkins
Founder and CEO of Canva
Canva
Episode: Canva's CEO on its big pivot to AI enterprise software
Ronan Farrow
Investigative reporter and The New Yorker contributor
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Episode: Ronan Farrow on Sam Altman's "unconstrained" relationship with the truth
Sarah Personette
CEO of Puck
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Episode: Can Puck’s CEO reinvent the news business for the influencer age?
Hayden Field
The Verge senior AI reporter
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Episode: The AI industry's existential race for profits
Chuck Robbins
CEO of Cisco
Cisco
Episode: Cisco CEO Chuck Robbins wants data centers in space
Casey Newton
Founder and Editor, Platformer; co-host of Hard Fork
Platformer
Episode: A jury says Meta and Google hurt a kid. What now?
Lauren Feiner
Verge Senior Policy Reporter and court expert
The Verge
Episode: Everyone hates Ticketmaster. Why'd Trump go easy on them?
Shishir Mehrotra
CEO of Superhuman (formerly Grammarly), on the board of directors at Spotify
Superhuman
Episode: Confronting the CEO of the AI company that impersonated me

Host

Nilay Patel
Editor-in-Chief of The Verge, known for his engaging interviews with decision-makers across technology and business, aiming to uncover deeper societal insights and implications.

Reviews

4.3 out of 5 stars from 5.5k ratings
  • Identify?

    Very timely excellent interview. Our nonprofit is currently evaluating

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    BalayAdvisory
    United Statesa month ago
  • Satisfying

    It’s incredibly satisfying to watch Nilay hold tech leaders accountable while delivering real journalism on the most important tech developments of this era. Truly a refreshing approach to get to the bottom of critical issues, and avoid the classic canned talking points. Excellent conversation, journalism, and tech reporting.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    estuhldreher
    United Statesa month ago
  • Superhuman=gross

    Listening to the CEO weasel around being caught dead to rights trying to exploit real journalists without compensation and while misleading users is disgusting.

    All these AI shills are just acting without any responsibility or thought beyond “make me money, AI”

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    0xbeepBoop
    United Statesa month ago
  • Nilay is an OG tech journalist.He told us about the Sprint HTC Arrive bitd. Always pushing the envelope but still getting good peeps to share inside dope with all of us geeks. Thanks Nilay and Team.(I know it takes a team, he's not that good).

    Podcast Addict
    5
    Tranjun
    a month ago
  • Love the show, Hasbro CEO is a joke

    Of course he’s a Slytherin. His BS refuse to take a stance side while simultaneously trying to make people believe he cares about diversity was laughable. This guy finally made me write a review to just put him on blast.

    Nilay I love you. Thank you for always pushing your guests on serious matters.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    theotherallen
    United States2 months ago

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Canva's CEO on its big pivot to AI enterprise software
Q: What is the decision-making process behind Canva 2.0 and the AI shift—was it top-down or collaborative across teams?
The move was catalyzed by a significant internal breakthrough and then scaled through a goal-oriented, cross-functional team approach with weekly show-and-tells to coordinate hundreds of contributors across the company.
Canva's CEO on its big pivot to AI enterprise software
Q: How does Canva handle the cost and choice of model providers, and what about token usage versus running its own models?
Canva uses a mix of external models (OpenAI, Anthropic) and its own proprietary models, with a strategy to minimize costs by running and iterating on their own designs where it makes sense, while keeping flexibility to swap models for the right task.
Canva's CEO on its big pivot to AI enterprise software
Q: Is Canva fundamentally enterprise software, or is AI pushing Canva more toward business users and organizations?
The ethos is that Canva AI 2.0 is designed to be the system at the center of work, connecting creative tasks with enterprise data and processes, thereby bridging consumer-friendly design with business-grade workflows.
Cisco CEO Chuck Robbins wants data centers in space
Q: How does Cisco view the edge vs data center balance in AI deployments?
Robbins: Expect ongoing growth in both edge and data center compute; distributed architectures and secure connectivity are crucial as AI workloads diversify and move closer to users and devices.
Cisco CEO Chuck Robbins wants data centers in space
Q: What does preparation for space data centers look like at Cisco?
Robbins: Early stages of preparation, focusing on atmospheric conditions, temperatures, and interfaces for satellite technology; engineering teams would assess and iterate before committing to a full program.

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