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Decoder with Nilay Patel

The Verge
Artificial Intelligence
Openai
Google
Generative AI
Elon Musk
Microsoft
Donald Trump
Trump Administration
Tiktok
Healthcare
Amazon
Private Equity
Youtube
Anthropic
AI Agents
First Amendment
Tesla
Chatgpt
The Verge
Electric Vehicles

Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.

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Hey! Nilay here. It’s conference season, so I’m traveling across the country and around the world a lot more than usual. Stay tuned for some very special Decoder episodes we have coming up soon, starting on Monday.

In the meantime, I wanted to share... more

Today I’m talking with Mustafa Suleyman, the CEO of Microsoft AI. This is a real burner of an episode. We covered everything from his approach to training new models to his criticisms of Anthropic talking about Claude as though it is conscious.

Of c... more

My guest today is Ryan Mac, a technology reporter at The New York Times and co-author of the excellent book Character Limit: How Elon Musk Destroyed Twitter, which came out in 2024. I wanted to have Ryan on today because we’re on the cusp of the Spac... more

I last talked to Recording Academy CEO Harvey Mason Jr in 2024 — when it was obvious that generative AI would upend the music industry, but not exactly clear how that would happen.

Now, Harvey says AI is “omnipresent” in music production. So what ki... more

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Recent Guests

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Chief Software Officer at Rivian; co-CEO of RV Tech (Rivian Volkswagen Group Technology)
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Episode: Rivian's software chief thinks you don't need CarPlay or buttons
Jonah Peretti
CEO of BuzzFeed and President of BuzzFeed AI
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Episode: Exclusive: Jonah Peretti explains why he sold BuzzFeed
Adam Dubay
Associate professor of learning sciences at McGill University, co-lead of the McGill Collaborative for AI and Society
McGill University
Episode: Rewind: How AI is fueling an existential crisis in education
Evie May
Instructional designer at a small college in Michigan
Unknown small college (Michigan)
Episode: Rewind: How AI is fueling an existential crisis in education
Anne Rubenstein
Historian and professor of history at York University
York University
Episode: Rewind: How AI is fueling an existential crisis in education
Todd Harper
Professor of Game Design at the University of Baltimore
University of Baltimore
Episode: Rewind: How AI is fueling an existential crisis in education
Jennifer Scanlon
CEO of UL Solutions
UL Solutions
Episode: That UL safety logo is a lot more complicated than it looks
Satya Nadella
Microsoft CEO (mentioned as a guest in the episode)
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Episode: THE PEOPLE DO NOT YEARN FOR AUTOMATION
Ronan Farrow
Investigative reporter and The New Yorker contributor
The New Yorker
Episode: Ronan Farrow on Sam Altman's "unconstrained" relationship with the truth

Host

Nilay Patel
Host of the show; editor-in-chief at The Verge; long-time tech journalist and interviewer.

Reviews

4.3 out of 5 stars from 5.6k ratings
  • Not Just For Techbros!!

    A podcast that talks about tech with normal people in mind? Who would have imagined such a thing could exist. It is refreshing to hear talk about tech take the social world into account instead of pretending it doesn’t exist. This podcast gives a way better perspective than most tech podcasts. The hosts care about “why” questions and not just bootlicking for billionaires

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    northshorestalker
    United Statesa month ago
  • Great podcast delving into the intricacies of tech and business!

    Amazing and informative podcast. Please update the thumbnail resolution of the ad-free version!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Sajiberjaber
    United States2 months ago
  • Identify?

    Very timely excellent interview. Our nonprofit is currently evaluating

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    BalayAdvisory
    United States2 months ago
  • Satisfying

    It’s incredibly satisfying to watch Nilay hold tech leaders accountable while delivering real journalism on the most important tech developments of this era. Truly a refreshing approach to get to the bottom of critical issues, and avoid the classic canned talking points. Excellent conversation, journalism, and tech reporting.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    estuhldreher
    United States2 months ago
  • Superhuman=gross

    Listening to the CEO weasel around being caught dead to rights trying to exploit real journalists without compensation and while misleading users is disgusting.

    All these AI shills are just acting without any responsibility or thought beyond “make me money, AI”

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    0xbeepBoop
    United States3 months ago

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Audience appreciates tough, journalism-forward interviews with tech leaders and policymakers.
Some listeners feel recent episodes skew politically; others praise in-depth investigations and edge-case inquiries.
Listeners value accountability and thoughtful critique of AI and platform dynamics.

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#180
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#87
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#116
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#133
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#156
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Musk v Altman: Much ado about nothing
Q: What did the trial reveal about the motivations behind the litigation?
The discussion suggests the litigation was as much about personal grievance and reputational damage as about the legal merits, with observers interpreting the actions as strategic attempts to punish or undermine rivals within the AI ecosystem.
Musk v Altman: Much ado about nothing
Q: What was the core legal issue that determined the verdict?
The core verdict hinged on whether Elon Musk's claims about the charitable-to-for-profit conversion were timely, with the jury concluding the suit was filed too late, which effectively sidelined deeper scrutiny of the underlying claims.
How Sundar Pichai is rethinking Google for the AI era
Q: What is your view on AGI and the timeline?
The exact timeline matters less than the rate of progress; three years from now, systems will be very powerful, and we must prepare for that reality, focusing on governance, safety, and broad societal readiness.
How Sundar Pichai is rethinking Google for the AI era
Q: How did you approach reorganizing Google to become AI-first?
I pivoted the company to AI-first, established a core AI models and infrastructure team, merged Brain and DeepMind into Google DeepMind, created an AI architecture with a chief AI architect, and implemented weekly AI product reviews to ensure intentional, responsible deployment across products.
How Sundar Pichai is rethinking Google for the AI era
Q: Tell me how Google is structured right now.
Google is organized around three main businesses—Search, YouTube, and Google Cloud—supported by large platforms like Android and Chrome, with a common underlying AI infrastructure powered by Gemini that enables cross-product integration and a centralized AI architecture.

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What is Decoder about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show features high-profile tech leaders, policy makers, journalists, and researchers, with deep dives into how AI, platforms, regulation, and business strategy shape tech's future. Episodes frequently center on accountability, safety standards, labor implications, and the monetization of AI, often pairing tough questions with thoughtful context from industry insiders. Noteworthy is the willingness to challenge powerful figures, while keeping a broad lens on society, policy, and real-world impact. Listeners can expect rigorous interviews, a strong emphasis on governance and ethics, and a penchant for connecting complex tech trends to everyday consequences.

A standout aspect is the guest mix: from CEOs and founders to regulators and res... more

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