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On The Merits

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On The Merits takes you behind the scenes of the legal world and the inner workings of law firms. This podcast offers in-depth analysis on the latest trends, challenges, and opportunities shaping the business of law and the legal industry overall. You'll gain insights into how the latest government actions, policies, and business developments are impacting the industry and hear from leading attorn... more

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There's never a good time for a law firm to see one of its most prominent partners leave and take several attorneys with him. But this is especially bad timing for Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann.

The firm specializes in representing sharehold... more

It's not a very controversial statement to say that Donald Trump's attacks on law firms were the biggest Big Law story in 2025. But, according to the guests on today's episode of our podcast, On The Merits, the ramifications of those attacks are stil... more

New York's oldest law firm answered the outstanding question surrounding its ability to remain independent with a resounding no when it announced a merger with Hogan Lovells last week.

As Bloomberg Law reporter Meghan Tribe tells it, Cadwalader Wick... more

It's become common now for firms to recruit elite law students even before the end of their first semester of their first year of law school, something that would have been unheard of before the pandemic.

That's a far cry from the days when firms wa... more

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Recent Guests

Che Chang
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Anthony McCusker
Chair of Goodwin Procter
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Justin Henry
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Episode: NY's Oldest Law Firm Loses Key Partners, Faces Tough Choices
Scott Shapiro
Professor at Yale Law School, focused on integrating AI into legal education
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Mike Rechtin
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Michelle Kallen
Co-chair of the Appeals and Advocacy Practice, former Solicitor General of Virginia
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Justin Stolte
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Hosts

Jessie Kamens
Host of a legal-focused podcast, providing insights on law and business dynamics.
David Schultz
Host with deep expertise in law, focusing on the interplay of legal issues and societal trends.

Reviews

4.0 out of 5 stars from 42 ratings
  • Excellent!

    Always insightful and informative. The journalists do a great job explaining recent and intriguing issues!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Didi Sug
    United States2 years ago
  • Journalists with an Agenda Spitting Propaganda

    Journalists with no legal education seeing things through partisan and ideological lenses and distorting legal arguments to promote their world view. Good example of propaganda and fake journalism. Listen if you want to listen to bad journalism and see examples of propaganda

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Leea1776
    United States2 years ago
  • So Broad As To Be Useless

    This covers such a wide range of topics perhaps 1/7 episodes is of interest to a practitioner. I wish they did more industry specific podcasts like one for mass tort, one for securities litigation, etc.

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    Here4youguys
    United States3 years ago
  • Seems good!

    Seems like a decent podcast but I couldn’t focus because the audio was so terrible

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    SaraClaireSharp
    United States7 years ago

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Cadwalader Loses Its Long Struggle to Stay Independent
Q: What do we know about the pro bono deal Cadwalader struck with the Trump administration?
The status of the deal is uncertain now that Cadwalader is merging with Hogan Lovells, particularly whether the obligations under the deal remain or if it effectively no longer exists after the merger.
Cadwalader Loses Its Long Struggle to Stay Independent
Q: When did the troubles for Cadwalader start and why couldn't they just turn things around?
Cadwalader's troubles trace back to the 2008 financial crisis when its heavy reliance on financial institutions became evident, leading to competitor growth and significant partner departures.
OpenAI's GC Chang Shares Insights from 'Extremely Stressful' Job
Q: How do you pick who you want to work with?
Decision-making for law firms involves collaboration with the internal team to identify the best fit for specific legal tasks, emphasizing expertise and cultural compatibility.
OpenAI's GC Chang Shares Insights from 'Extremely Stressful' Job
Q: Was there any inflection points throughout the four years where you kind of realize you needed certain expertise on your team?
The release of ChatGPT brought a rush of attention and concern, leading to the need for specific legal expertise, particularly in litigation and regulatory areas.
McDermott Wooing Outside Investment May Portend Industry Shakeup
Q: Why do you think McDermott is looking into a big move like this right now?
McDermott aims to leverage new capital investment opportunities to enhance service delivery while maintaining income for equity partners without traditional law firm financing limitations.

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Focusing on the multifaceted relationship between law and business, episodes explore pressing trends, challenges, and strategies within the legal industry. The discussions cover key themes such as the evolution of legal billing practices, the transformative influence of technology—including artificial intelligence—on legal firms, and the implications of political actions on law firm dynamics. Insights from prominent guests, who include general counsels, professors, and industry experts, offer a unique perspective on how businesses adapt to a rapidly changing legal landscape. This podcast is particularly notable for its emphasis on practical legal issues and real-world applications, making it valuable for both legal practitioners and those i... more

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