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On The Merits takes you behind the scenes of the legal world and the inner workings of law firms. This podcast offers in-depth analysis on the latest trends, challenges, and opportunities shaping the business of law and the legal industry overall. You'll gain insights into how the latest government actions, policies, and business developments are impacting the industry and hear from leading attorn... more

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Most of the biggest law firms in the US have a two-tier partnership model, where some partners have equity in the firm while others don't. So it was a bit of a surprise when the firm Ropes & Gray announced last month it will be sticking with its one-... more

On this episode of our podcast, On The Merits, we take another look at the reasoning behind the deals law firms struck with the Trump administration earlier this year to avoid punitive executive orders.

We previously heard from Yale Law School profe... more

Goodwin Procter made a splash this month when it announced it had raked in $2.7 billion in the 2025 fiscal year, a record for the firm and a 12% gain from the previous year

On this episode of our news podcast, On The Merits, we hear from the firm's ... more

Today's guest on our podcast, On The Merits, is a general counsel who is looking for more from the law firms trying to win his business. Specifically, he wants to hear more about how and why they're using AI.

Eric Dodson Greenberg is the top lawyer ... more

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Recent Guests

Anthony McCusker
Chair of Goodwin Procter
Goodwin Procter
Episode: Goodwin Chair on Revenue Rise and New Competitors for Law Firms
Eric Greenberg
General Counsel of Cox Media Group
Cox Media Group
Episode: What a GC Wants to Hear From His Outside Law Firms on AI
Scott Shapiro
Professor at Yale Law School, focused on integrating AI into legal education
Yale Law School
Episode: Every Law Firm Should Build Their Own AI, Yale Professor Says
Mike Rechtin
Real estate lawyer specializing in data centers
Latham & Watkins
Episode: Data Center Explosion Hands Big Law Cross-Practice Opportunities
Michelle Kallen
Co-chair of the Appeals and Advocacy Practice, former Solicitor General of Virginia
Steptoe
Episode: Data Center Explosion Hands Big Law Cross-Practice Opportunities
Justin Stolte
Partner focusing on energy issues
Latham & Watkins
Episode: Data Center Explosion Hands Big Law Cross-Practice Opportunities
Nikia Gray
Executive Director of the National Association for Law Placement
National Association for Law Placement
Episode: Why Law Schools are Making a 'Big Mistake' in AI Era Admissions
Jessica Chin Somers
Former big law attorney and current managing director at Kinney Recruiting
Kinney Recruiting
Episode: King & Spalding 2,400 Hour Rule Is Just the Norm, Recruiter Says
William Hubbard
Deputy Dean at the University of Chicago Law School
University of Chicago Law School
Episode: Chicago Law Dean on AI: You Won't Be Able to Entirely Avoid It

Hosts

Jessie Kamens
Host who explores significant legal topics and industry changes, bringing expert insights into the inner workings of law firms and the legal field.
David Schultz
Host providing analysis on pressing legal matters, discussing the implications of governmental and industry changes, along with expert commentaries.
Jessi Kamens
Co-host contributing to discussions around legal and industry trends, emphasizing expert opinions from various stakeholders.

Reviews

4.0 out of 5 stars from 41 ratings
  • Excellent!

    Always insightful and informative. The journalists do a great job explaining recent and intriguing issues!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Didi Sug
    United States2 years ago
  • Journalists with an Agenda Spitting Propaganda

    Journalists with no legal education seeing things through partisan and ideological lenses and distorting legal arguments to promote their world view. Good example of propaganda and fake journalism. Listen if you want to listen to bad journalism and see examples of propaganda

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Leea1776
    United States2 years ago
  • So Broad As To Be Useless

    This covers such a wide range of topics perhaps 1/7 episodes is of interest to a practitioner. I wish they did more industry specific podcasts like one for mass tort, one for securities litigation, etc.

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    Here4youguys
    United States3 years ago
  • Seems good!

    Seems like a decent podcast but I couldn’t focus because the audio was so terrible

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    SaraClaireSharp
    United States7 years ago

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Listeners praise the insightful analysis and depth of discussions on current legal trends.
Overall, the content is considered valuable for legal professionals seeking to stay informed.
There are some criticisms regarding perceived biases in reporting and a lack of focus on specific legal sectors.

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Goodwin Chair on Revenue Rise and New Competitors for Law Firms
Q: How is the firm employing technology as part of Goodwin 2033?
We're testing initiatives with AI to enhance our practice, believing that deep industry knowledge will remain invaluable as the legal landscape evolves.
Goodwin Chair on Revenue Rise and New Competitors for Law Firms
Q: How would you describe the firm's recruitment strategy over the last year?
Our recruiting strategy is very disciplined and focused, centered on strategic priorities even amidst a noisy lateral market.
NY's Oldest Law Firm Loses Key Partners, Faces Tough Choices
Q: How does Cadwalader's specialization affect their current challenges?
Cadwalader's over-specialization in niche finance practices may be limiting their adaptability compared to competitors that offer a full range of services.
NY's Oldest Law Firm Loses Key Partners, Faces Tough Choices
Q: Can you explain why partners are leaving Cadwalader?
Many partners left due to dissatisfaction with a pro bono deal made with the Trump administration and concerns about the firm's future direction.
Trump Attacks Could Have Killed Law Firms, Yale Prof Says
Q: Are you surprised in these six months by anything that has played out?
The firms with large corporate practices would be more likely to settle, while litigation firms would be more likely to fight, and that is exactly how things worked out.

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