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Above the Law - Thinking Like a Lawyer

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Thinking Like A Lawyer is a podcast featuring Above the Law's Joe Patrice, Kathryn Rubino, and Chris Williams. Each episode, the hosts will take a topic experienced and enjoyed by regular people, and shine it through the prism of a legal framework. This will either reveal an awesome rainbow of thought, or a disorienting kaleidoscope of issues. Either way, it should be fun.

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Recent Guests

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Leah Litman
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Hosts

Joe Patrice
Legal news commentator at Above the Law.
Kathryn Rubino
Legal news commentator and writer at Above the Law.

Reviews

4.0 out of 5 stars from 644 ratings
  • Needs Polishing

    Just can’t do it. Gave the series two months in my autoplay list… while I was interested in the content and stories, I can’t get past the hosts forced laugh. Very distracting and seeking more crisp shows.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    rowfast7
    United States3 months ago
  • Under appreciated

    Why this podcast isn’t rated higher, I’ll never know. This is an entertaining podcast.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Bullkie Roll
    United States3 months ago
  • Love it

    They’re smart and funny. I love them!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    myk122333
    United States6 months ago
  • Well done and thoughtful

    The hosts are knowledgeable and insightful, providing solid analysis and commentary. A consistently excellent show.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    NoNickname4944
    United States9 months ago
  • Podcast yes. Soundboard.. no

    I have to say I think you could really really lose the soundboard. I like the podcast but that thing is grating

    Apple Podcasts
    5
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    United States9 months ago

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Lawyers and law students value the practical perspective on law school, BigLaw careers, courts and the realities of legal work.
Some listeners find the informal banter and small-talk segments too long, and would prefer quicker transitions to legal analysis.
Political commentary is divisive: some listeners appreciate it, while others feel it can overshadow legal analysis or reflect a strong partisan perspective.
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Listeners often praise the hosts' humor, chemistry and ability to make legal news engaging and accessible.

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The ILTACON Wrap-Up
Q: What were your impressions of the Gaylord Nashville venue and the ILTACON atmosphere?
The venue felt more casual and Vegas-like, with impressive booth investments signaling a booming appetite for advanced legal tech, while also hinting at a shift toward cost-consciousness and practical, integrated solutions for both big firms and smaller practices.
Supreme Court Just Making It Up As It Goes Along
Q: How are you balancing the evolving nature of the law with the permanence of a published book?
Litman aimed to provide contextual insights into evolving legal issues while acknowledging the manuscript's cutoff for printing.
Supreme Court Just Making It Up As It Goes Along
Q: What inspired you to tackle this book?
Leah Litman was alarmed by the Supreme Court's actions since her clerkship, aiming to highlight its concerning developments.

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Frequently Asked Questions About Above the Law

What is Above the Law about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Weekly conversations connect current legal and political news with the realities of practicing law, especially in large firms. Joe Patrice and Kathryn Rubino lead the discussions, bringing newsroom-style commentary, legal-industry knowledge, personal anecdotes and irreverent humor to topics ranging from courts and government actions to law firm economics, professional ethics, bar exams and legal technology. The format typically centers on the week's stories, with occasional guests offering expertise on legal technology and related issues. Informal small talk and pop-culture references are part of the mix, alongside substantive discussion of court decisions and industry changes. The result is an accessible introduction to legal institutions ... more

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