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Above the Law - Thinking Like a Lawyer

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Thinking Like A Lawyer is a podcast featuring Above the Law's Joe Patrice, Kathryn Rubino, and Chris Williams. Each episode, the hosts will take a topic experienced and enjoyed by regular people, and shine it through the prism of a legal framework. This will either reveal an awesome rainbow of thought, or a disorienting kaleidoscope of issues. Either way, it should be fun.

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This episode is sponsored by Smith.ai.

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Discussing what we learned about legal technology in Nashville.

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Also, Yale Law School grads have a side chat to discuss their infamous classmates.

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Maddy Martin
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Episode: The ILTACON Wrap-Up
Stacey Zaretsky
Long-time Above the Law editor who joined as a guest for this episode
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Leah Litman
Professor at Michigan Law and author of 'Lawless: How the Supreme Court Runs on Conservative Grievance, Fringe Theories and Bad Vibes.'
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Episode: Supreme Court Just Making It Up As It Goes Along

Hosts

Joe Patrice
Host of Thinking Like A Lawyer; senior editor with Above the Law; regular host in legal analysis and commentary.
Kathryn Rubino
Co-host and legal journalist; provides analysis on law firm culture, policy, and court dynamics.
Chris Williams
Co-host; contributes sharp legal analysis and humorous banter.

Reviews

4.0 out of 5 stars from 640 ratings
  • Needs Polishing

    Just can’t do it. Gave the series two months in my autoplay list… while I was interested in the content and stories, I can’t get past the hosts forced laugh. Very distracting and seeking more crisp shows.

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    1
    rowfast7
    United States15 days ago
  • Under appreciated

    Why this podcast isn’t rated higher, I’ll never know. This is an entertaining podcast.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Bullkie Roll
    United States17 days ago
  • Love it

    They’re smart and funny. I love them!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    myk122333
    United States4 months ago
  • Well done and thoughtful

    The hosts are knowledgeable and insightful, providing solid analysis and commentary. A consistently excellent show.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    NoNickname4944
    United States7 months ago
  • Podcast yes. Soundboard.. no

    I have to say I think you could really really lose the soundboard. I like the podcast but that thing is grating

    Apple Podcasts
    5
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    United States7 months ago

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Host dynamic is a strong draw, with humor balancing serious legal analysis.
Audience appreciates accessible explanations of complex legal topics.
Some listeners want less political commentary and more traditional legal analysis.

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The ILTACON Wrap-Up
Q: What were your impressions of the Gaylord Nashville venue and the ILTACON atmosphere?
The venue felt more casual and Vegas-like, with impressive booth investments signaling a booming appetite for advanced legal tech, while also hinting at a shift toward cost-consciousness and practical, integrated solutions for both big firms and smaller practices.
Supreme Court Just Making It Up As It Goes Along
Q: How are you balancing the evolving nature of the law with the permanence of a published book?
Litman aimed to provide contextual insights into evolving legal issues while acknowledging the manuscript's cutoff for printing.
Supreme Court Just Making It Up As It Goes Along
Q: What inspired you to tackle this book?
Leah Litman was alarmed by the Supreme Court's actions since her clerkship, aiming to highlight its concerning developments.

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