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Nonprofits Are Messy: Lessons in Leadership | Fundraising | Board Development | Communications

Joan Garry
Leadership
Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion
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Nonprofit Leadership Lab
Nonprofit Leadership
Nonprofits
Social Justice
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Best Possible Relationship
How To Work With Almost Anyone
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Joan Garry: Nonprofit Leader and former Executive Director of GLAAD helps fellow CEOs, Boards and Board Chairs, Fundraisers, and Nonprofit Marketers

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In a nonprofit, revenue often feels uncertain. But here’s the secret: financial resilience isn’t luck – it’s strategy. In this episode, Glennda Testone and Bethany Maki of Progressive Multipliers explore how nonprofits can build independent revenue, ... more

Strategic planning doesn’t have to be expensive, exhausting, or end up on a shelf. In this episode, Glennda Testone talks with Sophia Shaw and Adam Wolford of PlanPerfect about a smarter, more accessible approach to nonprofit strategic planning – esp... more

In this episode, I’m joined by my wife Eileen Opatut, a volunteer fundraiser who landed a yes on her first major ask! Together, we break down what actually works and walk through the real mechanics of successful fundraising.

Nonprofit leaders aren’t burning out because they’re incapable. They’re burning out because we’re not setting them up for success. In this episode, I make the case for why leadership development is not optional – and why investing in leaders is one o... more

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Recent Guests

Bethany Maki
Executive Director of Progressive Multiplier Fund and Action Fund; CEO of Multiplier Effect
Progressive Multiplier
Episode: Ep 249: Financial Resilience Isn’t Luck – It’s Strategy with Bethany Maki
Dr. Nastasia Harris
Founder of the Perinatal Health Equity Initiative
Episode: Ep 246: If You Believe Leadership Matters, Prove It!
Bonnie Barczykowski
CEO of Girl Scouts of the USA
Girl Scouts of the USA
Episode: Ep 244: The Board Chair–CEO Blueprint: What Every Nonprofit Can Learn from Girl Scouts USA
Noorain Khan
President of the Board at Girl Scouts of the USA
Girl Scouts of the USA
Episode: Ep 244: The Board Chair–CEO Blueprint: What Every Nonprofit Can Learn from Girl Scouts USA
Darlene Nipper
Running the Rockwood Leadership Institute and an advocate for social justice and leadership development
Rockwood Leadership Institute
Episode: Ep 243: What 2025 Taught Us About Real Leadership with Darlene Nipper
Garrett Cathcart
Co-founder and executive director of More Perfect Union
More Perfect Union
Episode: Ep 240: NEIGHBORS FIRST: HOW TO FIND COMMON GROUND with Garrett Cathcart
Erica Fortescue
Leads a professional coaching and consulting firm that delivers coaching and training for purpose-driven leaders and their teams.
Episode: Ep: 239 ADHD at Work: A Guide for Nonprofit Leaders and Teams
Vivian Chang
Leader of the Democratizing Philanthropy Project
Democratizing Philanthropy Project
Episode: Ep. 238: Small Gifts, Big Impact: Building Sustainable Revenue from Everyday Donors (with Vivian Chang)
Darian Rodriguez Heyman
Accomplished author, fundraising and philanthropy consultant, and former executive director of the Craigslist Foundation.
Helping People Help
Episode: Ep 237: The AI Field Guide: A Playbook for Nonprofit Success with Darian Rodriguez Heyman and Cheryl Contee

Hosts

Glennda Testone
CEO of the Nonprofit Leadership Lab and senior partner at Joan Garry Consulting
Joan Garry
Host of Nonprofits Are Messy; nonprofit leadership expert and coach

Reviews

4.6 out of 5 stars from 387 ratings
  • Used to be fantastic

    Unfortunately, Joan cannot check her ego at the door anymore. She talks over guests, inserts her worldview, and boasts endlessly about her contributions. The guests are amazing. I only wish the interviewer would return to being amazing too.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    DonorAdviceFun
    United Statesa year ago
  • I am just exploring the nonprofit sector. The conversations in these podcasts are enlightening and helpful. I think this will be helpful to me in making decisions about whether to move forward.

    Audible
    5
    K. Shea
    United States2 years ago
  • Just learning; valuable information here!

    I am just exploring the nonprofit sector. The conversations in these podcasts are enlightening and helpful. I think this will be helpful to me in making decisions about whether to move forward.

    Audible
    5
    K. Shea
    United States2 years ago
  • Brilliant!

    Joan is a deep thinker and takes a novel and strategic approach to solving problems. Joan's advice and thinking about all things nonprofit is some of the best!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    libbyv55
    United States2 years ago
  • Practice patience and wait your turn

    I became a subscriber to this podcast as I have a heart to listen and do better in my executive role. Joan has given me many things to consider and ways to improve. Lately I’m noticing Joan interrupting and speaking over guests with regularity. I love that she is passionate and has insight, but when a guest is speaking to broaden the conversation and offer value, be polite, allow them opportunity, listen to their wisdom, and let them speak so that we as an audience can hear *them.* Our enthusias... more

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    Schoenwx
    United States3 years ago

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The host is deeply insightful with practical nonprofit leadership guidance, regularly delivering actionable value.
Listeners appreciate the breadth of topics and real-world examples, but some critique pacing and focus in certain episodes.
Guest quality and topics are high, though some listeners feel the host can interrupt guests.
The show is a must-listen for nonprofit professionals and board leaders seeking leadership and fundraising insights.

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Ep 243: What 2025 Taught Us About Real Leadership with Darlene Nipper
Q: What should philanthropy consider in their funding strategies?
Philanthropy should give generously and focus on supporting grassroots efforts and community-centric leadership.
Ep 243: What 2025 Taught Us About Real Leadership with Darlene Nipper
Q: What advice would you give to leaders navigating current challenges?
Leaders should focus on what they know best about their communities, pivot strategies as needed, and share insights with their peers.
Ep 243: What 2025 Taught Us About Real Leadership with Darlene Nipper
Q: What have you been seeing in leadership during 2025?
There is immense hope; people are stepping up in their communities and leading in response to needs, showing resilience despite challenges.
Ep 240: NEIGHBORS FIRST: HOW TO FIND COMMON GROUND with Garrett Cathcart
Q: How does someone get involved?
Garrett advises signing up on the More Perfect Union website to find local 'brickyards' and engage in community initiatives.
Ep 240: NEIGHBORS FIRST: HOW TO FIND COMMON GROUND with Garrett Cathcart
Q: Can you fill us in? How did this thing get off the ground?
Garrett shares that he transitioned from the military to nonprofit work, realizing a deep desire for purpose and community.

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This show consistently centers nonprofit leadership, board governance, fundraising, and organizational strategy, often hosting chiefs, board chairs, and senior nonprofit leaders to explore practical leadership lessons. Episodes frequently feature high-profile guests from major nonprofit organizations and philanthropy, with a strong emphasis on governance, succession planning, donor engagement, and leveraging technology and AI for mission impact. A recurring strength is actionable takeaways—ranging from budgeting and strategic planning to board relationships and community impact—delivered through in-depth conversations that mix personal stories with practical frameworks. The format tends to attract listeners who are executives, development p... more

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