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Nonprofits Are Messy: Lessons in Leadership | Fundraising | Board Development | Communications

Joan Garry
Nonprofit Sector
Nonprofit Leadership
Fundraising
Leadership
Nonprofit Leadership Lab
Nonprofits
Social Justice
Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion
Nonprofit Management
Philanthropy
Strategic Planning
Community Engagement
Innovation
Funding Challenges
Nonprofit Fundraising
Self-Care
Capital Campaigns
Nonprofit Budgeting
Hunger
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Joan Garry: Nonprofit Leader and former Executive Director of GLAAD helps fellow CEOs, Boards and Board Chairs, Fundraisers, and Nonprofit Marketers

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Mariah Monique
Sponsorship Catalyst
The Sponsorship Catalyst
Episode: Ep 255: Managing Across Generations: What Nonprofit Leaders Need to Know with Jason Burlingame
Dr. Kiki Ramsey
Positive Psychologist and CEO of the Positive Psychology Coaching and Diversity Institute
PCAD / Positive Psychology Coaching and Diversity Institute
Episode: Ep 254: Building Belonging When DEI Feels Like a Four-Letter Word with Dr Kiki Ramsey
Julia Gackenbach
nonprofit CRM expert; DonorPerfect contributor
DonorPerfect
Episode: Ep 252: CRM Matchmaking: How to Ensure the Right Fit for Your Nonprofit with Julia Gackenbach
Vu Le
Keynote speaker, blogger, founder of Nonprofit AF, author
Nonprofit AF/The Platypus Principle Book Author
Episode: Ep 251: Reimagining Nonprofits: The Uncomfortable Conversation We Need to Have with Vu Le
Emilia Gonzalez Avalos
Executive Director of Unidos Minnesota
Unidos Minnesota
Episode: Ep 250: The Power of Neighbors: A Leadership Story from Minneapolis with Emilia Gonzalez Avalos
Bethany Maki
Executive Director of Progressive Multiplier Fund and Action Fund; CEO of Multiplier Effect
Progressive Multiplier
Episode: Ep 249: Financial Resilience Isn’t Luck – It’s Strategy with Bethany Maki
Dr. Nastasia Harris
Founder of the Perinatal Health Equity Initiative
Episode: Ep 246: If You Believe Leadership Matters, Prove It!
Bonnie Barczykowski
CEO of Girl Scouts of the USA
Girl Scouts of the USA
Episode: Ep 244: The Board Chair–CEO Blueprint: What Every Nonprofit Can Learn from Girl Scouts USA
Noorain Khan
President of the Board at Girl Scouts of the USA
Girl Scouts of the USA
Episode: Ep 244: The Board Chair–CEO Blueprint: What Every Nonprofit Can Learn from Girl Scouts USA

Hosts

Joan Garry
Host of the show, nonprofit leader and former executive director
Glennda Testone
CEO of the Nonprofit Leadership Lab; frequent host/partner on leadership conversations

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4.6 out of 5 stars from 390 ratings
  • Excellent podcast!

    This was such a refreshing take on strategic planning and a great reminder that it doesn’t have to become a complicated document that sits untouched. I enjoyed listening to the episode, and the discussion around creating agile plans for smaller nonprofits was especially insightful.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Mary Burruss
    United Statesa month ago
  • Used to be fantastic

    Unfortunately, Joan cannot check her ego at the door anymore. She talks over guests, inserts her worldview, and boasts endlessly about her contributions. The guests are amazing. I only wish the interviewer would return to being amazing too.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    DonorAdviceFun
    United Statesa year ago
  • I am just exploring the nonprofit sector. The conversations in these podcasts are enlightening and helpful. I think this will be helpful to me in making decisions about whether to move forward.

    Audible
    5
    K. Shea
    United States2 years ago
  • Just learning; valuable information here!

    I am just exploring the nonprofit sector. The conversations in these podcasts are enlightening and helpful. I think this will be helpful to me in making decisions about whether to move forward.

    Audible
    5
    K. Shea
    United States2 years ago
  • Brilliant!

    Joan is a deep thinker and takes a novel and strategic approach to solving problems. Joan's advice and thinking about all things nonprofit is some of the best!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    libbyv55
    United States3 years ago

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Ep 255: Managing Across Generations: What Nonprofit Leaders Need to Know with Jason Burlingame
Q: How should nonprofits choose corporate partners?
Nonprofits should prioritize alignment with community needs and values, assess a company's stance on relevant issues, and be prepared to walk away from deals that don't align with their mission or risk alienating their community.
Ep 255: Managing Across Generations: What Nonprofit Leaders Need to Know with Jason Burlingame
Q: What do corporate partners value in a sponsorship experience, and why is post-event reporting important?
Partners value a professional, seamless experience from onboarding to fulfillment; post-event reports demonstrate impact and justify continued support, which greatly influences renewal decisions.
Ep 255: Managing Across Generations: What Nonprofit Leaders Need to Know with Jason Burlingame
Q: What is the number one thing corporate partners don't understand about nonprofits, and what do nonprofits need to know about corporate partners right now?
Nonprofits should shift from asking for money to presenting themselves as strategic partners that help brands meet objectives, while corporate partners need to understand nonprofits seek value and alignment beyond a check, including brand storytelling and audience access.
Ep 254: Building Belonging When DEI Feels Like a Four-Letter Word with Dr Kiki Ramsey
Q: What distinguishes DEI 2.0 from 1.0?
DEI 2.0 is more strategic and embedded in everyday leadership, with shared responsibility across the organization, rather than being isolated in a single department.
Ep 251: Reimagining Nonprofits: The Uncomfortable Conversation We Need to Have with Vu Le
Q: What would you have called the book if you were left to your own devices and nobody persuaded you to call it something different?
He discusses the publisher's influence on the title, and humorously notes the process of exploring many possibilities before choosing a title that would be accessible yet thought-provoking.

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The show consistently centers on nonprofit leadership, governance, and sustainable fundraising, often pairing practical frameworks with real-world anecdotes from leaders, boards, and organizers. Episodes frequently address DEI, strategic planning, volunteer engagement, board-ED relationships, and resilience in turbulent funding environments, offering ready-to-implement tips for executives, directors, and philanthropists. A notable strength is bringing diverse voices from the sector—CRMs, partnerships with Girl Scouts, grassroots organizing, and civic engagement—into focused conversations that blend tactical advice with big-picture governance. This mix makes it valuable for listeners seeking actionable leadership development, improved board ... more

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