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Inevitable

an MCJ podcast
Climate Change
Renewable Energy
Energy Transition
Clean Energy
Decarbonization
Data Centers
Electric Vehicles
Hydrogen
Artificial Intelligence
Carbon Capture
Inflation Reduction Act
Sustainability
Nuclear Energy
Natural Gas
Geothermal Energy
Carbon Removal
Spacex
Solar Energy
Power Purchase Agreements
Wind Energy

Join Cody Simms each week as he engages with experts across disciplines to explore innovations driving the transition of energy and industry. Inevitable is an MCJ podcast. This show was formerly known as 'My Climate Journey.'

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Charlie Nitschelm is the co-founder and CEO of Uplift, a company building affordable, rapidly deployable temporary housing. Uplift’s first product is a 90-square-foot, off-grid home designed for one to two people that can be transported fully assembl... more

Michael Thomas is the founder and CEO of Cleanview, a data and research platform tracking more than 10,000 clean energy projects and thousands of data center projects across the country. Back for his third appearance on Inevitable, Thomas has spent t... more

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Alan Cooper is co-founder and CEO of ON.energy, a Miami-based company building battery-backed power systems for AI data centers. Its flagship product, AI UPS, sits between the grid and a data center, creating a buffer that isolates the grid from the ... more

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Siva Yellamraju is the co-founder and CEO of Fourier, a company building modular, on-site hydrogen systems for long-duration energy storage and distributed hydrogen production. Fourier’s approach combines lithium-ion batteries for short-duration need... more

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Recent Guests

Alan Cooper
Co-founder and CEO of ON.energy
ON.energy
Episode: Turning Data Centers Into Grid Assets with ON.energy
Willie Phillips
Former Chairman of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC); partner at Holland & Knight
Holland & Knight (Washington, DC)
Episode: Willie Phillips, Former FERC Chairman: The Grid Is America's Economic Nervous System
Yasir Arafat
Co-founder and CTO of Aalo Atomics
Aalo Atomics
Episode: Aalo Atomics on Beating the Odds to Reach Criticality
Indra den Bakker
Co-founder and former CEO of Overstory (deceased)
Overstory
Episode: How Overstory Cuts Outages and Wildfire Risk for Utilities
Arch Rao
Founder and CEO of SPAN
SPAN
Episode: Turning Unused Home Power into a Controllable Resource with SPAN
Pete Johnson
Co-founder and CEO of Koloma
Koloma
Episode: Koloma's Bet on Buried Hydrogen for Farmers
Shannon Miller
Co-founder and president of Mainspring Energy
Mainspring Energy
Episode: How Mainspring Energy Turns Fuel Into Power Without Combustion
Michael Spencer
CEO of Zeno
Zeno
Episode: The Electric Motorcycle That's Actually a Utility Company with Zeno
Marc Berte
Co-founder and CEO, Overview Energy
Overview Energy
Episode: Space Solar: 24/7 Clean Power with Overview Energy

Host

Cody Simms
Host of Inevitable; frequent interviewer focusing on energy transition, climate tech, and scalable infrastructure.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 372 ratings
  • My Climate Journey: Inspiring and Informative Climate Conversations

    "My Climate Journey" excels in delivering a wide range of content that covers various aspects of the climate challenge. Each episode typically features an in-depth interview with a guest who brings unique perspectives and expertise to the table. The discussions cover a broad spectrum of topics, including clean technology, policy, climate science, and personal stories of climate action. The structured yet conversational format makes complex issues accessible and engaging, ensuring that listeners ... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Daveed Sidhu
    United States2 years ago
  • Great content

    I have been listening to MCJ Capital series. There is lot of great discussions where interesting themes are discussed. Very educational and inspirational.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Naveen Balawat
    United States2 years ago
  • Interesting and inspiring

    Love the way Jason and company approach all their interviews with curiosity and a drive to really understand how things work and how a given solution can contribute to combating climate change.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    The OGG
    United States3 years ago
  • Great conversation about Green Bank with Sara Harari

    Your conversation with Sara Harari makes me hopeful for a better future. Fantastic podcast that’s highly recommended for people interested in funding actions to mitigate climate change. Thank you!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MShenher
    Canada3 years ago
  • Topics range across the breadth of “climate”. Founders and experts share perspective and the hosts drive thought provoking discussions about the challenge of our time. Lots of calls to action for those seeking ideas and inspiration to get involved in this industry.

    Audible
    5
    Bryan White
    United States4 years ago

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Audience appreciates practical solutions and real-world deployment stories, including policy and capital aspects.
High-quality conversations but occasional feedback on audio quality or production could improve listening experience.
Guest mix often includes founders and investors—great for listeners seeking actionable takeaways.
Shows deep technical and market insights across climate tech and energy.

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Michael Thomas: Inside America's Off-Grid Data Center Boom
Q: What is the process you use to explore adatacenter project and what does the document trail tend to look like?
We start with automated tracking of permits, filings, and documents, then corroborate with satellite imagery and on-the-ground checks; the process includes comparing permit dates with construction activity and engaging with companies when possible to verify details, often leading to public-sounding, impactful stories.
Michael Thomas: Inside America's Off-Grid Data Center Boom
Q: Maybe start by walking me through how you have evolved the business over the last year or so and what you've been spending your time on.
The company shifted from tracking renewables to building an enterprise data center tracker in 2025, expanding into the datacenter demand side of the grid, with ongoing updates and a separate subscription for deeper materials; the focus has been on deep, public-document-based storytelling around infrastructure projects and their implications.
Turning Data Centers Into Grid Assets with ON.energy
Q: How does ON.energy structure its business model given the scale and ongoing needs of mega projects?
The company combines hardware sales with ongoing services and flexible financial structures. They deploy assets as a service in partnership with financial firms, offer long-term service components, and can convert some CAPEX into OPEX for customers. This project-by-project approach has been supplemented by a strong focus on customer success and a robust balance sheet, which supports large multi-year deployments and predictable revenue streams.
Turning Data Centers Into Grid Assets with ON.energy
Q: Alan, can you walk us through how ON.energy moved from traditional behind-the-meter storage to a full-blown AI data center infrastructure play?
We started with traditional battery storage architectures aimed at resilience and bespoke, site-specific solutions. Over time, we standardized and scaled these concepts, focusing on large loads behind the meter and creating a controlled interface to the grid. This evolved into Ai Ups, a series-connected power path that actively isolates grid from load, enabling predictable, high-quality power for AI campuses and simplifying interconnection. The evolution was driven by the need to decouple grid volatility from data-center loads and to prove the platform at scale through rigorous validation.
Fourier Is Solving Long-Duration Storage with On-Site Hydrogen
Q: What makes hydrogen viable for long-duration storage compared to lithium-ion?
Hydrogen shines when you consider dollars per kilowatt-hour over the lifetime and the ability to scale duration without exponentially increasing capital costs; the challenge is making on-site, edge deployment practical so you avoid centralized hubs and transport costs.

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What is Inevitable about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A spotlight on climate tech, energy transition, and industrial innovation driven by interviews with founders, operators, investors, and policymakers. Episodes frequently center on practical deployments, market economics, and regulatory dynamics shaping scalable solutions—from home energy platforms and distributed AI compute to autonomous construction and next-gen energy storage. Noteworthy is the mix of hardware-forward startups, utility-scale perspectives, and ecosystem-building programs, which helps listeners understand actionable paths to decarbonization and energy resilience. The show often surfaces real-world challenges, capital strategies, and partnerships that enable ambitious climate technology to scale, making it valuable for engin... more

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4. Indra den Bakker
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7. Shannon Miller
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