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Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin have debated the future of Silicon Valley and tech as the closest of friends for the last 15 years. Now six companies, two venture funds and more than a decade at Google, Apple and Facebook later, they are opening up the debate. From The Information, Offline Ventures, and Slow Ventures. Follow the crew: x.com/davemorin x.com/brit... more

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Dave joins the squad from YC just ahead of WWDC, where the group breaks down Apple’s upgraded Siri and the surprising revelation that much of Apple’s AI capability is powered by Google’s Gemini models. It wouldn’t be a technology podcast without the ... more

Brit subs in for Jess as Sam and Dave unpack the AI IPO boom, including SpaceX, Anthropic, and Cerebras, debate whether AI agents can actually replace employees, and react live to the discovery that Slow’s @slow Instagram account was stolen through a... more

This week on More or Less, Amir Efrati of The Information joins Jessica, Brit, and Dave to unpack the growing intersection of AI, government, and national security, from the rumored stalled executive AI order to why frontier model companies may soon ... more

This week on More or Less, the crew unpacks IPO speculation around OpenAI and SpaceX, debates whether AI’s economics ultimately favor recurring API spend or owning infrastructure outright, questions if Google’s distribution advantage is enough to win... more

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Amir Efrati
Co-Executive Editor, The Information
The Information
Episode: Did Anthropic Use the Pope as a Marketing Stunt? Ft. Amir Efrati
Guillermo Rauch
CEO of Vercel, AI/infrastructure executive
Vercel
Episode: Vercel CEO: 70% of Our Traffic Is Now AI Agents "Nobody Was Prepared" | Anthropic, OpenClaw, OpenAI
Michael Galpert
Friend and participant at ClawCon Tokyo
Offline/ClawCon network
Episode: AI Agents Destroying Internet Security (Anthropic's Leak, ClawCon Tokyo, OpenAI's $852B Valuation)
Erin Satig
Attendee at ClawCon Tokyo
ClawCon Tokyo attendee
Episode: AI Agents Destroying Internet Security (Anthropic's Leak, ClawCon Tokyo, OpenAI's $852B Valuation)
Peter Steinberger
OpenClaw contributor
OpenClaw/Open source security
Episode: AI Agents Destroying Internet Security (Anthropic's Leak, ClawCon Tokyo, OpenAI's $852B Valuation)
Guillermo (from Vercelles)
Contributor from Vercelles
Vercel (implied)
Episode: AI Agents Destroying Internet Security (Anthropic's Leak, ClawCon Tokyo, OpenAI's $852B Valuation)
Henrik Werdelin
Founder of Audos
Audous/Audos
Episode: The New Startup Stack: One Founder + Agents | Henrik Werdelin (Audos) and Ben Broca (Polsia)
Ben Broca
Founder and CEO of Polsia
Polsia
Episode: The New Startup Stack: One Founder + Agents | Henrik Werdelin (Audos) and Ben Broca (Polsia)
Brett Taylor
Chairman of OpenAI
OpenAI
Episode: #113 GPT-5 Disappoints: The End of the AI Gold Rush?

Hosts

Dave Morin
Host with long-running involvement in technology and venture, frequently co-hosting discussions on the show.
Jessica Lessin
Co-host, journalist with a background in technology media and startup ecosystems.
Brit Morin
Co-host with deep ties to consumer tech and startup communities.
Sam Lessin
Co-host with investor and founder background, often contributing strategic perspectives.

Reviews

3.8 out of 5 stars from 278 ratings
  • Required listening

    A must listen podcast for folks working in or interested in tech and tech investing.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Cascadian User
    United States6 months ago
  • ChatGPT 5 Episode Hit Home

    Thank you Sam for saying out loud what I think people are finally coming to realize about Sam and Elon. Seriously refreshing!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    jdhouse4
    United States10 months ago
  • Smart and fun

    Like a tech news/analysis and variety show—they’re obviously all super sharp and have a great depth of experience, but it’s also entertaining. They’ve got a good dynamic and it’s fun to listen to. Feels a little like crashing their dinner party.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MotivatedLinSF
    United States10 months ago
  • How shallow can you go

    Podcast Addict
    1
    rsc
    a year ago
  • These people are too into themselves and not enough into the subject at hand

    Half of the show are the people talking about what they did this weekend and their personal shopping preferences. It’s just not worth the time to sort through that to get to any useful information the show might have to give. Get over yourselves.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Stuart Wilder
    United States2 years ago

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Many fans note strong host chemistry and candid, contrarian takes.
Critiques often focus on audio quality and episode pacing rather than content quality.
Listeners praise sharp analysis and engaging banter when topics hit the intersection of tech and business.

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#115
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#161
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#118
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#28
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#42
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#75
Philippines/Technology

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#115 Anthropic at $170B: Should Unicorns Be Forced to IPO?
Q: Should there be a valuation-based threshold for being a public company?
Sam argues against it, saying that it would just lead to games. He feels that letting sophisticated investors act freely is acceptable unless it's detrimental to society.
#103: Are Silicon Valley’s Mega-Deals Just Talent Grabs?
Q: Why did Apple focus on redesigning their operating systems now?
Apple aims to unify the user experience across its devices and respond to the growing popularity of the iPad, which is being used more for productivity tasks.
#103: Are Silicon Valley’s Mega-Deals Just Talent Grabs?
Q: What does the $14.8 billion investment in Scale AI signal about the competition in the tech industry?
It indicates a significant escalation in the battle for AI talent and resources among major tech companies, as they strive to position themselves in a rapidly evolving landscape where expertise is at a premium.
#95: OpenAI’s Social Network & Figma’s Potential IPO
Q: Is the world in need of another social network?
Yes, some believe there is room for innovation beyond existing platforms.
#95: OpenAI’s Social Network & Figma’s Potential IPO
Q: What is the current state of the AI venture landscape?
Currently, there is hype around AI, with many companies incorrectly marketed as AI firms despite not being fundamentally AI companies.

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