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Dave Morin, Jessica Lessin, Brit Morin, and Sam Lessin have debated the future of Silicon Valley and tech as the closest of friends for the last 15 years. Now six companies, two venture funds and more than a decade at Google, Apple and Facebook later, they are opening up the debate. From The Information, Offline Ventures, and Slow Ventures. Follow the crew: x.com/davemorin x.com/brit... more

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Bing Gordon co-founded Electronic Arts, spent 18 years at Kleiner Perkins, sat on Amazon's board for 15 and is credited by John Doerr and Jeff Wilke with the idea for Prime. He also sat on Zynga's board, which is why it lands when he says players fel... more

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Elon tells investors on an earnings call that SpaceX and Tesla should merge, and Sam has a theory he says nobody else has floated: there's an enormous SpaceX lockup cliff coming in the spring, and folding Tesla's retail shareholders into the denomina... more

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Jess went full send on Muse and reports that about 70% of the use cases she was excited about have stopped working, because the internet is fighting back: Good Eggs now wants her to check out in the app, her kid's school portal refuses the login, and... more

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Meta and Microsoft, two of Anthropic's biggest enterprise customers, have roughly halved their Claude usage, and both are running their own models instead. Dave's diagnosis is the one nobody else is making: Claude was over-tuned for parasocial relati... more

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Recent Guests

Bing Gordon
Electronic Arts co-founder, investor, and co-author of Everybody Wins
Electronic Arts
Episode: Amazon, Google, ChatGPT: When Do Products Start Gaming Their Users?
Adrian Oun
Pilot and investor, speaker on AI topics
Episode: Meta Muse vs Instinct vs OpenAI Dots: Do AI Agents Have Any Moat?
Matt Mazzeo
Founder of NoHo, peptide entrepreneur
NoHo
Episode: Claude Is Doing Science, a16z Is Starting a University & the AI Bubble Keeps Growing and Still Be a Terrible Business; We'd Rather Send Our Kids to the Military Than to a16z's School
Sudarshan Suds
Angel investor and entrepreneur in AI infra
Independent investor
Episode: AI Agents Are Going Rogue. Should We Be Worried?
Peter Deng
GP at Felicis; involved in Facebook/Instagram/Uber/OpenAI/airtable trajectory
Felicis
Episode: Special Edition MOL with Josh Wolfe, Rachel Holt, Scott Belsky, Scott Stanford, and Peter Deng
Rachel Holt
Founder/operational leader with Uber North America experience; Construct Capital
Construct Capital
Episode: Special Edition MOL with Josh Wolfe, Rachel Holt, Scott Belsky, Scott Stanford, and Peter Deng
Scott Belsky
Founder of Behance; partner at A24 and A Labs
A24 / A Labs
Episode: Special Edition MOL with Josh Wolfe, Rachel Holt, Scott Belsky, Scott Stanford, and Peter Deng
Scott Stanford
Former Goldman TMT, venture partner at Acme
Acme
Episode: Special Edition MOL with Josh Wolfe, Rachel Holt, Scott Belsky, Scott Stanford, and Peter Deng
Josh Wolfe
Co-founder and managing partner at Lux
Lux Capital
Episode: Special Edition MOL with Josh Wolfe, Rachel Holt, Scott Belsky, Scott Stanford, and Peter Deng

Hosts

Dave Morin
Host of More or Less; long-running tech entrepreneur and investor.
Brit Morin
Host of More or Less; founder-focused perspective with broad tech and consumer insights.
Sam Lessin
Host of More or Less; investor and entrepreneur with deep Silicon Valley experience.
Jessica Lessin
Host of More or Less; journalist and founder with tech/media focus.

Reviews

3.8 out of 5 stars from 295 ratings
  • More Enjoyable than the All-In BroShow (Much Love), 10+ Stars

    A fun quartet dynamic that can talk about their marriage/relationships together, while still getting deep down into tech.

    All are super funny, real, up to date and engaging in their own way. Awesome people, awesome show.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    SatayAsdf
    United Statesa month ago
  • Required listening

    A must listen podcast for folks working in or interested in tech and tech investing.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Cascadian User
    United Statesa year ago
  • ChatGPT 5 Episode Hit Home

    Thank you Sam for saying out loud what I think people are finally coming to realize about Sam and Elon. Seriously refreshing!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    jdhouse4
    United Statesa year ago
  • Smart and fun

    Like a tech news/analysis and variety show—they’re obviously all super sharp and have a great depth of experience, but it’s also entertaining. They’ve got a good dynamic and it’s fun to listen to. Feels a little like crashing their dinner party.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MotivatedLinSF
    United Statesa year ago
  • How shallow can you go

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    rsc
    2 years ago

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Great dynamic, though some feel too many voices at times.
Candid, sharp takes with practical business angles.
Thoughtful, entertaining tech breakdown with strong debates.

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Amazon, Google, ChatGPT: When Do Products Start Gaming Their Users?
Q: What part of life gets worse if an AI agent wins for you, and what can we deliberately leave in for the human to do?
Gordon says friction is necessary for meaningful results and that constraints can push people to create better work. He expects new friction to arise as AI systems encounter unforeseen edge cases.
Amazon, Google, ChatGPT: When Do Products Start Gaming Their Users?
Q: What could have told you the truth about Farmville while the numbers were still going up?
Gordon says anecdotal feedback and post-quit surveys showed that players felt relief after leaving, even though retention and revenue data looked positive. He argues that growth tactics can push people into behavior they do not actually want.
Claude Is Doing Science, a16z Is Starting a University & the AI Bubble Keeps Growing and Still Be a Terrible Business; We'd Rather Send Our Kids to the Military Than to a16z's School
Q: What do you see as the biggest risk factors for AI's economic viability right now?
Liability and regulatory frameworks are paramount; without clear accountability and scalable, sustainable business models, even highly useful AI could fail to translate into durable profits.
Claude Is Doing Science, a16z Is Starting a University & the AI Bubble Keeps Growing and Still Be a Terrible Business; We'd Rather Send Our Kids to the Military Than to a16z's School
Q: Do you think these billionaire-backed education experiments will actually transform higher education or remain niche ventures?
They could catalyze change if they build credible programs with outcomes that matter, but the consensus among some hosts is that the market requires broader, more diverse pathways and practical credibility to survive long-term.
Claude Is Doing Science, a16z Is Starting a University & the AI Bubble Keeps Growing and Still Be a Terrible Business; We'd Rather Send Our Kids to the Military Than to a16z's School
Q: What is your take on the push to major university disruption like Alpha School and similar ventures?
Opinions are divided; some see it as a bold rethinking of education that could better connect learners with founders and real-world opportunities, while others view it as marketing hype that may not deliver sustainable value.

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A high-velocity, multi-host roundtable explores tech industry moves, AI, and silicon valley dynamics, blending sharp analysis with candid banter. The crew often ties headline events to broader business trends—from lab strategy and IPO chatter to branding, governance, and culture within tech power centers. Episodes frequently feature personal anecdotes that humanize complex topics while maintaining a critical eye on who benefits from rapid technological change. Noteworthy are the energetic debates, diverse viewpoints across founders and investors, and a knack for turning industry noise into signal for listeners who want practical takeaways for product, strategy, and media narratives.

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