
Leaders Lead Even When It Hurts is a show about the real moments that shape us. Every week Tony Taylor sits with people who have lived through something hard and came out changed. Caregivers, creators, entrepreneurs, survivors. People in the messy middle who kept going even when it hurt. These conversations are raw, honest, and unscripted. We talk about the moments that broke you open, the choices... more
| Publishes | Twice weekly | Episodes | 160 | Founded | 5 years ago |
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I love this podcast! The host is amazing! It’s really helping get through life right now. Life has been hard. This podcast is amazing and different in all the right ways! The interviews are real, intriguing, entertaining, funny and full of life stories and lessons. Tony is authentic! You can tell he genuinely cares about his guests and what his audience is able to take away. I never miss an episode and neither should you!
I hope the listeners enjoy the podcast as much as I enjoyed being on it! Tony asks great questions and gets to the heart of the matter quickly to help all of us lead from within!
Live isn’t always easy, but even in hard times, you can’t forget that things will get better. Tony does an amazing job surfacing stories of challenging times and what the other side looks like. A must listen!
Leaders Lead Even When It Hurts is a grounded, honest look at leadership that doesn’t sugarcoat the hard parts. It focuses on integrity, accountability, and the quiet, uncomfortable decisions leaders have to make when the right choice isn’t the easy one. Practical, reflective, and refreshingly real—this is a strong listen for anyone who leads people and actually cares about doing it well.
I really appreciated the episode on surviving betrayal. It is something I have dealt with before, but didn't know how to overcome. This episode gave me a lot of pointers and advice for how to deal with these situations in the future.
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This show centers on real, often difficult leadership moments—caregivers, entrepreneurs, and public servants share how hardship reshaped their paths, offering candid lessons on resilience, accountability, and service. Episodes frequently explore leadership under pressure, governance, public safety, healthcare, and burnout, always with practical takeaways for listeners aiming to lead with integrity and empathy. A notable strength is the host's unfiltered style, which tends to attract guests with diverse public-facing roles and a bias toward service over self-promotion, making it valuable for aspiring leaders and professionals seeking actionable mindset shifts and real-world leadership stories.
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Recent guests on Leaders Lead Even When It Hurts include:
1. Rachel Grant
2. Maren Turner
3. Chris Pettit
4. Catherine Hildebrand
5. Ashley Fedan
6. Michelle Gipson
7. Derek Sanders
8. Kevin Burton-Crow
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