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Just Say No To The DSO

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Dental Service Organizations
Dentistry
Dental Support Organizations
Practice Valuation
Practice Ownership
EBITDA
Practice Management
Dental Support Organization
Financial Analysis
Ownership
Equity Valuation
Patient Care
Economic Benefits
Private Equity
Market Value Of Dental Practices
Legal Representation In Dentistry
Healthcare Management
Goodwill In Transactions
Cash Flow
Dental Practices

Dentistry is experiencing an attack by well-funded corporations who want to own the work of each dentist’s hands. While the promises of wealth and ease DSO’s present to owner-dentists appear enticing, experience shows the reality is very different. Just Say No to the DSO is a deep dive podcast for dentists in all stages of their career. It is especially for those who are looking at whether or not ... more

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In this conversation, Nate speaks with Dan and Aaron Lewis about the complexities of dental practice transitions, particularly focusing on the implications of selling to Dental Service Organizations (DSOs). They discuss the emotional aspects of pract... more

Bob and Nate are back to discuss the common misconception that DSOs pay more for dental practices than private buyers and they are bringing receipts. They delve into the concept of EBITDA, explaining its significance in practice valuation and how it ... more

In this episode of 'Just Say No to the DSO', hosts Bob and Nate discuss the complexities of transitioning dental practices, particularly for those with multiple locations. They address listener questions about ownership options, financing, and the im... more

Bob and Nate discuss the complexities of transitioning a dental practice without selling to a DSO. They explore the concept of a walk away sale, addressing common uncertainties and fears among practice owners. The conversation also debunks prevalent ... more

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Recent Guests

Dr. Lou Berman
A highly respected endodontist with over 41 years of experience.
Self-employed Endodontist
Episode: Season 3 Episode 15 - Dr Lou Berman Interview
Daniel Cohen
A general dentist and co-owner of a dental practice.
Episode: Season 3 Episode 14 - Dr Mila and Daniel Cohen Interview
Mila Cohen
A pediatric dentist and co-owner of a dental practice.
Episode: Season 3 Episode 14 - Dr Mila and Daniel Cohen Interview
Dr. Jill Tanzi
General practice dentist in Massachusetts and president of AID.
Alliance of Independent Dentists
Episode: Season 3 Episode 13 - Dr Jill Tanzi and Dr Kristine Grazioso Interview
Dr. Kristine Grazioso
Pediatric dentist in Massachusetts and vice president of AID.
Alliance of Independent Dentists
Episode: Season 3 Episode 13 - Dr Jill Tanzi and Dr Kristine Grazioso Interview
Dr. Eric Block
Full-time practicing dentist and co-founder of the International Academy of Dental Life Coaches
Episode: Season 3 Episode 12 - Dr Eric Block Interview
Dr. Robert McNamara
An experienced medical doctor specializing in emergency medicine with over 40 years of practice.
Episode: Season 3 Episode 11 - Dr. Robert M McNamara Interview
Jason Wood
Attorney specializing in dental practice transitions
Episode: Season 3 Episode 10 - Jason Wood is Back Part 1
Scott Haley
Orthodontist and host at Premier Orthodontic Practices
Premier Orthodontic Practices
Episode: Season 3 Episode 7 - Scott Haley From Premier Orthodontics Practices Interview

Hosts

Bob Spiel
Host with a strong background in dentistry and practice management, offering insights into the dangers of corporate service organizations.
Nate Williams
Co-host and financial advisor specializing in helping dentists navigate the complexities of practice ownership.

Reviews

4.5 out of 5 stars from 79 ratings
  • Concerned DDS

    This firm appears to focus primarily on serving small, single-location dental practices. Based on our experience and direct communication with Ryan Millar, CFP, we were informed that their services are not designed to support dentist-owned groups with multiple owners or multiple locations.

    At a time when DSOs and private equity firms are increasingly acquiring independent dental practices, it’s unfortunate to see a firm decline to support 100% dentist-owned groups who are working to maintain co... more

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Concerned DDS
    United States2 months ago
  • Well Done

    This is a podcast by dental cpa’s/advisors who care about the profession. This is information you just won’t find everywhere. Certainly Dentists who own their practice and are nearing the back 9 of their career need to listen to this.

    My only critique is the podcasters need to share a little more about them on the podcast website. I may need them !

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Middle Age Dentist
    United States6 months ago
  • Very informative

    As a practicing dentist of over 33yrs- I am looking into all options of how to potentially finish my career.Non stop DSO mailings have peaked my interest as I begin to weigh my options on how to sell my practice. This podcast has opened my eyes to many of the pitfalls and deceiving practices of the DSO’s. A well done program with useful insights consistently.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Kappy340
    United States6 months ago
  • 5 Stars

    Love the show! Private practice dentistry is the best way!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    JustinPerio
    United States7 months ago
  • Waste of time

    I spent a day traveling listening to season 1 and 2. Very one sided, with zero openness to consider the other side. I have seen both private practice and partnership with a DSO work out just fine. I have colleagues in both models that are beyond happy. Hard to take away anything of value here! For the record I am private practice.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    W . Abe
    United States8 months ago

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The podcast is praised for providing valuable insights that encourage dentists to consider their options carefully before selling.
Listeners appreciate the depth of information and expertise shared, especially regarding the challenges of selling to DSOs.
Overall, the show is seen as a critical resource for dental practice owners looking to maintain independence.
Some criticism centers around perceived bias against DSOs, suggesting a need for more balanced perspectives.

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Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Season 3 Episode 10 - Jason Wood is Back Part 1
Q: Why aren't more financial and legal professionals speaking out against the DSO trend?
Many professionals may be economically incentivized to remain silent, as DSOs offer higher fees for selling practices compared to advising dentists against such sales.
Season 3 Episode 10 - Jason Wood is Back Part 1
Q: What are general guidelines for dentists in spotting potential unscrupulous advisors?
Any unsolicited contact through phone or mail should be viewed with suspicion, as it often indicates predatory practices targeting vulnerable dentists.
Season 3 Episode 9 - Dr Aaron Swapp from Swapp Orthodontics Part 2
Q: So you're saying that the primary motivation for the doctor should be patient care and adding value to the patient?
Exactly, that's where it starts to shift the motivations.
Season 3 Episode 9 - Dr Aaron Swapp from Swapp Orthodontics Part 2
Q: Aaron, what is it that you have against private equity coming into dentistry?
Private equity shifts the motivation of what we do to a financial transaction, which can diminish patient care.
Season 3 Episode 6 - John Van Leeuwen Interview
Q: What is your general take on DSOs and their involvement in dentistry?
John expresses a nuanced view, stating there are good and bad DSOs, but he primarily identifies as anti-private equity DSO, as they often undermine dentists' autonomy.

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Aimed at supporting dentists of various experience levels, the content explores the potential pitfalls associated with selling dental practices to Dental Service Organizations (DSOs). The hosts offer insights into the complexities of practice transitions, focusing on the values of ownership and autonomy in dentistry. They present a critical examination of the current dental landscape, including the influence of corporate entities and the marketing tactics employed by DSOs to entice dental professionals. By providing actionable advice and fostering discussions that challenge conventional wisdom, their mission seeks to empower dentists to make informed decisions about their careers and practices. The ongoing dialogues with guests enhance the ... more

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Recent guests on Just Say No To The DSO include:

1. Dr. Lou Berman
2. Daniel Cohen
3. Mila Cohen
4. Dr. Jill Tanzi
5. Dr. Kristine Grazioso
6. Dr. Eric Block
7. Dr. Robert McNamara
8. Jason Wood

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