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Where technology meets intelligence. Intel at the Edge is a podcast by the Special Competitive Studies Project (SCSP), hosted by Chip Usher, Senior Director for Intelligence. Chip explores the latest innovations transforming the intelligence community with experts who are shaping the future of national security.

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Two senior CIA veterans — Wayne McCool, former Associate Deputy Director for Analysis, and Bruce Frost of "Rhombus Power" — cut through the hype. They discuss how AI is being used inside the intelligence community today, what the real limitations are... more

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FISA Section 702 is one of the most powerful — and controversial — surveillance laws in the United States. It allows the U.S. intelligence community to collect electronic communications from foreign targets passing through American company infrastruc... more

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With the Trump-Xi summit approaching, former CIA senior China analyst Chris Johnson joins “Intel at the Edge” to give an unvarnished assessment of Beijing's priorities, Xi Jinping's mindset, and how China is navigating an increasingly unpredictable A... more

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China didn’t just compete with the United States — it harvested America’s innovation. In this episode of “Intel at the Edge” Andrew Badger joins Chip Usher to discuss The Great Heist — the story of how China used industrial espionage, talent recruitm... more

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Recent Guests

Wayne McCool
Former Associate Deputy Director for Analysis at CIA, led digital transformation
Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)
Episode: Is AI Actually Useful for Intelligence Analysis? with Wayne McCool & Bruce Frost
Bruce Frost
Vice President for Intelligence at Rhombus Power, veteran intelligence professional
Rhombus Power
Episode: Is AI Actually Useful for Intelligence Analysis? with Wayne McCool & Bruce Frost
Brett Freeman
Former lawyer with the NSA, NCTC, and DOJ; former Senior General Counsel for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
Former NSA, NCTC, DOJ; Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
Episode: FISA Section 702 with Brett Freeman
Chris Johnson
President and CEO of China Strategies Group; expert on Chinese politics and foreign policy
China Strategies Group
Episode: Inside Beijing's Strategy: The Trump-Xi Summit, Taiwan & the Tech War with Chris Johnson
Andrew Badger
Guest lecturer at the University of Oxford; former DIA case officer; co-author of The Great Heist
University of Oxford; Independent author
Episode: China’s Greatest Heist: How Beijing Stole America’s Technology with Andrew Badger
Norman Roule
34-year veteran of the Central Intelligence Agency and former intelligence community's Iran mission manager (2008-2017)
Central Intelligence Agency
Episode: Emergency Update on Iran with Norman Roule
Heather Conley
Non-resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and former president of the German Marshall Fund.
American Enterprise Institute
Episode: The "High Ground" of the North Atlantic: Why Greenland is the Next Frontier of Global Competition with Heather Conley
Jonathan Panikoff
Director of the Near East Security Initiative at the Atlantic Council, former Deputy National Intelligence Officer for the Near East
Atlantic Council
Episode: Emergency Update on the Iran Crisis with Jonathan Panikoff
Pat Fallon
US Congressman representing the 4th District of Texas and member of the House Armed Services Committee.
United States Congress
Episode: Congressional Perspectives on Technology and Intelligence with Representative Pat Fallon of Texas

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Chip Usher
Host of Intel at the Edge; Senior Director for Intelligence at the Special Competitive Studies Project (SCSP)

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China’s Greatest Heist: How Beijing Stole America’s Technology with Andrew Badger
Q: What is China focusing on right now in terms of new technologies?
The discussion highlights AI, hypersonics, quantum computing, and marine energy as top focal points, with China pursuing talent recruitment programs and aggressive industrial policies to leapfrog Western capabilities.
China’s Greatest Heist: How Beijing Stole America’s Technology with Andrew Badger
Q: Tell me a little bit about your background and what you did at the DIA.
Andrew describes starting as an intern, moving into the Defense Clandestine Service, becoming a case officer, and later transitioning to the private sector focusing on geopolitical risk and risk management, which laid the groundwork for co-authoring The Great Heist.
Emergency Update on Iran with Norman Roule
Q: If a strike were to begin by the United States against Iran, how worried are you about an Iranian retaliatory strike? What could they do?
The Iranians could respond with ballistic missile strikes against U.S. bases, attacks on naval forces using drones, or even terrorist activities, but they would face new complications by escalating tensions.
Emergency Update on Iran with Norman Roule
Q: What is your sense for the prospects of some sort of deal on Iran's ability to enrich and continue its program?
Iran may agree to temporary constraints in exchange for significant sanctions relief, which would empower the regime but is unacceptable to the Trump administration.
Emergency Update on Iran with Norman Roule
Q: What is your take on where the situation stands currently?
The Trump administration is utilizing public rhetoric, economic pressures, and military presence to compel Iran for concessions regarding its nuclear program and regional actions.

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