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School of War

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China
World War II
Ukraine
John Boyd
Artificial Intelligence
Maneuver Warfare
OODA Loop
Hamas
World War I
Iran
Gaza
Russia
Gulf War
Israel
Chinese Communist Party
Military Strategy
American Deterrence
Russian Federation
Nuclear Strategy
Alfred Schlieffen

In School of War, CBS News National Security Analyst and Free Press columnist Aaron MacLean sits down with secretaries of state, top military historians, war planners, and key political decision-makers to help understand the lessons of war. Tune in as School of War takes you to the front lines. Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legi... more

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Aviv Shapira, the co-founder and CEO of XTEND, joins the show to discuss his journey from competitive drone racing to building groundbreaking defense technology. How are drone swarms changing warfare? What are the ethical implications of AI weaponry?... more

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Sal Mercogliano, professor of history at Campbell University and host of the What’s Going on with Shipping YouTube channel, joins the show once again to discuss the naval blockade on the Strait of Hormuz imposed by United States Central Command. How ... more

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General Michael Claesson is Sweden’s Chief of Defence Staff and Supreme Commander of the Swedish Armed Forces. How did Russia’s annexation of Crimea change Sweden’s global strategy? Is Russia weaker than it appears? How strong is the American allianc... more

Mark Dubowitz, chief executive of FDD, joins Aaron to discuss the ceasefire negotiations between the U.S. and Iran. What are the fears surrounding the  talks? Where are the two sides close on the proposed ceasefire, and where are they miles apart? Wh... more

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Recent Guests

Aviv Shapira
Co-founder and CEO of Xtend
Xtend
Episode: The Future of Warfighting Technology Is Now with Aviv Shapira
Michael Claesson
Chief of Defense Staff and Supreme Commander of the Swedish Armed Forces
Sweden
Episode: The Strategic View From the Baltic Sea with General Michael Claesson
Sal Mercogliano
Professor of History at Campbell University; host of What's Going on with Shipping (YouTube)
Campbell University; YouTube channel What's Going on with Shipping
Episode: Is the Strait of Hormuz Closed Forever? with Sal Mercogliano
Rich Goldberg
Senior Advisor at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies; Reserve Navy Intelligence Officer
Foundation for Defense of Democracies
Episode: America’s Incredible Rescue of its Downed Airmen in Iran and Trump’s Strategic Options Ahead with Rich Goldberg & Garrett Exner
Garrett Exner
Adjunct Fellow at the Hudson Institute; Marine veteran and former Special Operations
Hudson Institute
Episode: America’s Incredible Rescue of its Downed Airmen in Iran and Trump’s Strategic Options Ahead with Rich Goldberg & Garrett Exner
Aaron MacLean
CBS News National Security Analyst and Free Press columnist; host of School of War
The Free Press / CBS News
Episode: Trump Says We’re ‘Winning’ in Iran. It’s More Complicated.
Eyck Freymann
Hoover Institution fellow, author of Defending Taiwan, a Strategy to Prevent War with China
Hoover Institution
Episode: Even as America Fights Iran, It’s Not Ready for China—with Eyck Freymann
John Spencer
Executive Director of the Urban Warfare Institute, retired U.S. Army Major
Urban Warfare Institute
Episode: How Can America Defeat Iran? With John Spencer
Niall Ferguson
Milbank Family Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution; columnist at The Free Press; biographer of Henry Kissinger
Hoover Institution; The Free Press
Episode: Did Trump Miscalculate on Iran? with Niall Ferguson

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Aaron MacLean
Host with a background as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director, with experience in the U.S. Marine Corps.

Reviews

4.5 out of 5 stars from 1.2k ratings
  • Great conversation s

    I’m new to this pod so I have a lot to catchup on.

    The conversation with Zineb Riboua was amazing. She’s incredibly well thought out.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    SchipperkeFan
    United Statesa month ago
  • Smart, detailed, thoughtful, interesting

    Thanks Aaron. Your podcast is an invaluable source of real news, smart analysis, and nuanced perspectives typically unavailable elsewhere.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    AU/AG
    United Statesa month ago
  • Apocalyptic Awareness

    What is the line between nation-state and proxy. Mark Montgomery claims Iran has killed 1,000 Americans. How many Americans have been killed via domestic business (pollution), domestic crime (politics), and our military in training (power)? Seems like it is obvious, and it’s way over 1,000. A war with our own businesses, citizens, and military seems crazy, but it’s worth it with Iran for these reasons?! Aaron, you got a company man on your podcast who would go down with the ship before being cri... more

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    WilderLander
    United Statesa month ago
  • Interesting and informative.

    Smart guests and knowledgeable interviewer. Never disappointing.

    Aaron MacLean has really come into his own with choice of topics and guests.

    Latest episode with David Shedd is absolutely fascinating.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Peb Pab
    United States3 months ago
  • Obama/Trump Redline Iranian Government Should Not Violently Crackdown Against Protesters

    I’m afraid that the US encouraged Iranian civilians to protest, President Obama during the Arab Spring and now with PresidentTrump.

    I think the Iranian Theocracy’s talks are a delaying tactic so they can violently put down the anti-government protesters.

    So far the Iranian government has already killed about 560 protesters as of 1/12/2026. How many more have to die before the President feels the Iranian government crosses the redline?

    No boots on ground, but bombing as many Iranian Revolut... more

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    5
    another RJF
    United States3 months ago

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Listeners describe the show as highly informative with insightful guests and thorough analyses of military history and current events.
The diversity of guests contributes to rich content, making it valuable for those interested in understanding military strategy and history.
The host is praised for deep knowledge and engaging interviewing style, but some express concern about perceived biases in the discussion.

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Is the Strait of Hormuz Closed Forever? with Sal Mercogliano
Q: How does the Strait of Hormuz function on a day-to-day basis under normal conditions?
Under normal conditions, Hormuz handles roughly 130-140 ships daily with a mix of tankers and other vessels; traffic lanes and the traffic separation scheme are used to prevent collisions and maintain flow, while ships operate within international waters under IMO guidance, with Iran frequently observing from nearby shores.
The Strategic View From the Baltic Sea with General Michael Claesson
Q: How does Kaliningrad influence European security dynamics and Sweden's defense planning?
Kaliningrad represents a persistent threat due to its ballistic missiles and naval assets in a contested Baltic region. It necessitates dispersed basing, agile deployment, and a robust air and sea defense, while shaping Sweden's and NATO's deterrence posture in the Baltic Sea.
The Strategic View From the Baltic Sea with General Michael Claesson
Q: What are the key lessons from Ukraine for Western militaries in terms of technology and organizational change?
The main lessons are the importance of multi-domain integration, advanced data fusion for command and control, and incremental development with willingness to test and risk in peacetime to prepare for higher-stakes environments. Unmanned systems and civilian expertise should be integrated to complement traditional forces.
The Strategic View From the Baltic Sea with General Michael Claesson
Q: How do you assess Sweden's defense shift from Cold War strategies to a modern, NATO-oriented posture?
Sweden has moved from a historically large, domestically focused force to integrating with international security frameworks, increasing defense spending, and contributing to allied operations, while maintaining a capability that's credible and self-reliant. This includes agile basing, joint logistics, and a focus on deterrence through strength.
Trump Says We’re ‘Winning’ in Iran. It’s More Complicated.
Q: What were the main takeaways from the president's speech about escalation or de-escalation?
The guest suggests the speech left questions about timing and scope, signaling potential escalation if no deal is reached, while also leaving room for diplomatic channels to persist, with a focus on the Strait of Hormuz as an enduring flashpoint.

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