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DEEP Dive

NATO DEEP
Counterterrorism
Terrorism
Drones
Iran
Russia
Vladimir Putin
FIFA World Cup
UK National Security
Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department
Counter-Terrorism
Missiles and Drones
Ukraine
NATO
Wagner Group
Georgia
Serbia
Transnistria
Kazakhstan
Jackson-Vanik Sanctions
Community Policing

DEEP Dive is a podcast series from NATO’s Defence Education Enhancement Programme (DEEP). Each episode provides commentary and analysis with experts and practitioners on a variety of subjects, including international security and defence, counter-terrorism, and geopolitical current events. For more information and additional content, including full transcripts of each episode, please visit deeppor... more

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How is the Iran conflict impacting on the Middle East, and what does this mean for global security? In episode 61 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan M. Gohel is joined by Dr. Mahmut Cengiz to examine Tehran’s evolving strategy and the wider implications o... more

How prepared are we for the evolving threat of conflict in the age of ever advancing technology? In episode 60 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel is joined by Alex Townsend-Drake, Head of the Counter Terrorism Preparedness Network (CTPN), to examine... more

How do decades of frontline counter-terrorism experience shape critical decision-making during moments of national security crisis? In episode 59 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan Gohel speaks with Dominic Murphy, Commander of the Metropolitan Police’s C... more

What makes a society peaceful? And how can studying peace help us build a safer world? In episode 58 of NATO DEEP Dive, Dr. Sajjan M. Gohel is joined by Steve Killelea, Founder and Executive Chairman of the Institute for Economics and Peace (IEP), to... more

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Dr. Mahmut Cengiz
Managing Editor for Counterterrorism at Homeland Security Today; Associate Professor at Shah School of Policy and Government, George Mason University
Homeland Security Today; George Mason University
Episode: Episode 61 - Mahmut Cengiz and the Iran Situation
Alex Townsend-Drake
Head of the Counter Terrorism Preparedness Network
Counter Terrorism Preparedness Network (CTPN)
Episode: Episode 60 - Alex Townsend-Drake and the Age of Drone Warfare
Commander Dominic Murphy
Head of the Metropolitan Police's Counterterrorism Command in the United Kingdom
Metropolitan Police
Episode: Episode 59 - Dominic Murphy and Frontline National Security
Steve Killelea
Founder and executive chairman of the Institute for Economics and Peace
Institute for Economics and Peace
Episode: Episode 58 - Steve Killelea and the Quest for Peace
Sasha Larkin
Director of Intelligence and C4 Operations for the 2026 FIFA World Cup, former Assistant Sheriff for the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.
FIFA World Cup
Episode: Episode 57 - Sasha Larkin and Protecting Mega Sports Events
Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman
Director for European Affairs at the United States National Security Council, former Political Military Affairs Officer for Russia
United States National Security Council
Episode: Episode 56 - Alexander Vindman and Curbing Russian Expansionism

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Episode 61 - Mahmut Cengiz and the Iran Situation
Q: Why has Iran regionalized the conflict, and what are the risks of this approach?
Regionalization spreads pressure points across fronts in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, and Yemen, complicating retaliation and amplifying economic and energy disruption while potentially triggering broader international involvement.
Episode 61 - Mahmut Cengiz and the Iran Situation
Q: What is the central role of missiles and drones in Iran's military doctrine?
Missiles and drones are the backbone, substituting for conventional air power, enabling distant strikes, and acting as equalizers that force adversaries to spend more to defend against cheaper Iranian systems.
Episode 61 - Mahmut Cengiz and the Iran Situation
Q: How would you characterize Iran's strategy in this conflict?
Iran has used forward defense with proxies to deny direct state-to-state confrontation while applying asymmetric tactics, mainly through drones, missiles, and cyber actions. They aim to deter by punishment and raise the cost of conflict, with escalation likely to be calibrated rather than full-scale war.
Episode 58 - Steve Killelea and the Quest for Peace
Q: What gives you hope despite the challenges?
The capacity for empathy and the ongoing human desire to improve and create a better world.
Episode 58 - Steve Killelea and the Quest for Peace
Q: What concerns you the most about current trends in global terrorism?
The fluid nature of terrorism and the rapid spread of groups like Islamic State into new regions.

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