
We live in a world where our civilization and daily lives depend upon institutions, infrastructure, and technological substrates that are _complicated_ but not _unknowable_. Join Patrick McKenzie (patio11) as he discusses how decisions, technology, culture, and incentives shape our finance, technology, government, and more, with the people who built (and build) those Complex Systems.
| Publishes | Weekly | Episodes | 103 | Founded | 2 years ago |
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| Number of Listeners | Categories | InvestingBusiness | |||

Patrick McKenzie (patio11) is joined by Max Spero, co-founder and CEO of Pangram Labs, which builds models that identify AI-generated text and images. Max goes under the hood to explain how AI detection actually works. They also discuss the instituti... more
Patrick McKenzie (@patio11) is joined by Alex Elliott (@alexpotato), who has spent his career in SRE and operations roles at financial firms ranging from ten-person fintechs to global investment banks, to discuss what the back office actually does al... more
Patrick McKenzie (patio11) is joined by Manish Goregaokar, a senior software engineer and member of the Rust security response team, to discuss what LLMs do to the cost side of running a sophisticated con. They walk through a scam built for programme... more
In this episode, Patrick McKenzie (patio11) is joined by Misha Gurevich, CEO of Aerolamp, and Vivian Belenky, its chief scientist and a researcher at Columbia, to discuss why UVC, a wavelength of light that inactivates airborne pathogens but is absor... more
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This show was recommended to me on my podcast app and I was skeptical at first since I don’t have the background in the topics discussed. But Patrick makes each episode very clear and entertaining. I also like I could listen to a random episode I would like it, even if the subject is specific and niche
Super conversation, v insightful
Top tier. Patrick is an eloquent nerd and the podcast sings for that reason alone. But you will also learn many interesting and useful nuances of how the world works, and having that understanding , you will better appreciate the wonders of civilization that surround you.
Patrick consistently puts out episodes on things that I don’t think I would be interested in but I end up being interested in it
Same as title with the addition that transcripts I’ve viewed are great!
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A deep-due, analytically minded show exploring how institutions, technology, and incentives shape finance, policy, and society. Episodes consistently thread together complex systems thinking with practical implications, featuring guests who are researchers, engineers, journalists, and industry insiders discussing topics like AI risk, payments infrastructure, banking, and regulatory dynamics. Noteworthy is the host's penchant for connecting technical detail to broader systemic outcomes, often through long-form conversations that balance skepticism with curiosity. Listeners are likely looking for rigorous, lay-readable explorations of how large-scale systems operate and how to reason about risk, policy, and innovation in finance, tech, and go... more
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