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Per Capita Australia
Artificial Intelligence
Australia
Anthropic
Openai
Palantir Technologies
Democracy
Generative AI
Digital Duty Of Care
China
Australian Council On AI Strategy
Toby Walsh
AI Training Compute
Warfare
AI Regulation
Big Tech
Education / AI Literacy
Data Centers Australia
Palantir
Grok AI
Meta Platforms

Welcome to Burning Platforms: De-Coding the Power and Politics of Big Tech. Join Peter Lewis, Lizzie O’Shea (Digital Rights Watch), Dan Stinton (HealthEngine CEO), and guests, fortnightly for analysis of the politics of technology from some of Australia’s leading digital campaigners and industry experts. Brought to you by the Centre of the Public Square - an initiative of Per Capita.

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The CEO of the Gradient Institute on the emerging risks of agentic AI and how playing dumb might be the smartest move.

Regular panellists Digital Rights Watch chair Lizzie O’Shea, Health Engine CEO Dan Stinton and Per Capita’s Peter Lewis also discu... more

The founder of UTS’s Ultimo Institute on the political economy of the largest float in history, AI lab Anthropic’s IPO.

Panellists Australian Writers Guild CEO Claire Pullin, Health Engine CEO Dan Stinton and Per Capita’s Peter Lewis also discuss.

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The AI scientist and author on his rising concerns about existential risk and the false inevitability of the hyper-scalers.

Panellists ABC AI correspondent Ca, Wilson, Tech Policy Design Institute co-director Zoe Jay Hawkins and Per Capita’s Peter L... more

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The CEO of the new Australian Council on AI Strategy on the big decisions and competing trade-offs facing Australia and where scientists fit in the conversation.

Panelists Australian Writers Guild CEO Claire Pullen, Health Engine CEO Dan Stinton and... more

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Recent Guests

Carl Rhodes
Founder of the Ultimo Institute and Professor of Business and Society at UTS Business School
UTS Business School
Episode: Sale of the Century with Carl Rhodes
Claire Pullin
CEO of the Australian Writers Guild
Australian Writers Guild
Episode: Sale of the Century with Carl Rhodes
Toby Walsh
AI researcher at the University of New South Wales and author of God.A.I.
University of New South Wales
Episode: God in a Box with Toby Walsh
Cam Wilson
ABC AI correspondent
ABC
Episode: God in a Box with Toby Walsh
Zoe Jay Hawkins
Co-director of the Tech Policy Design Institute
Tech Policy Design Institute
Episode: God in a Box with Toby Walsh
Anna-Maria Arabia
Former head of Science Technology Australia and the Australian Academy of Science.
Australian Council on AI Strategy
Episode: Science Friction with Anna-Maria Arabia
Craig Silverman
Co-founder of Indicator, a news, research and capacity building service focused on digital deception and information ecosystems
Indicator
Episode: Digging for Truth with Craig Silverman
Simon Kriss
CEO of Sovereign AI Australia
Sovereign AI Australia
Episode: Open Season with Simon Kriss
Matt Finch
Associate Fellow at Oxford Saïd Business School and member of the Futures Council at Australia's National Security College; head of the Oxford Project, Death, Dying and Afterlife in the Age of AI
Oxford Saïd / National Security College / Oxford Project
Episode: Rearview Mirror with Matt Finch

Hosts

Peter Lewis
Host of Burning Platforms; affiliated with Burning Platforms / Centre of the Public Square (Per Capita)
Lizzie O'Shea
Co-host and legal advocate; Chair of Digital Rights Watch
Dan Stinton
CEO of HealthEngine; Host of Burning Platforms

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 6 ratings
  • Informative

    My weekly dose of tech news with a progressive lense

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    GeorgeGurdjieff
    Australia6 months ago
  • Brilliant podcast

    Great content, very well delivered in such a clear and mature way. Love it and have recommended it to family and friends!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Hannah BH
    Australia3 years ago
  • platformburnermc

    go to back your own pod !

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    platformburnermc
    Australia5 years ago

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Maintains a sharp focus on governance and accountability.
Genuine and engaging, great for understanding tech policy impacts.
Audience insights are practical for sponsors targeting policy-minded listeners.
Well-structured, clear, and topic-rich discussions.
Informative and thought-provoking with a progressive lens.

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Sale of the Century with Carl Rhodes
Q: You're giving everyone potentially a financial stake, and if my superannuation fund buys some of their shares and I guess I have some kind of financial stake. But what's interesting about this particular one, is the way they've structured the offering really prevents stakeholders from having much of a stake in the operation of the business.
Rhodes explains that Anthropic's proposed share structure gives its founders more than half of shareholder voting rights, while a trust controls the board, limiting the ability of outside shareholders to influence the company.
Sale of the Century with Carl Rhodes
Q: How do you approach something like the Anthropic float?
Carl Rhodes views it with trepidation, arguing that AI is becoming essential global infrastructure and that concentrating its control and capital in one private company raises serious questions of public accountability and democracy.
God in a Box with Toby Walsh
Q: What do you think about one, how we can avoid that? But also two, what are the ways to use AI in a way that could enhance not replace thinking?
Walsh says AI poses a risk of cognitive and broader human disempowerment, and cites evidence that outsourcing thought may contribute to declining cognitive ability. He suggests people may need to actively exercise their minds, much as they exercise their bodies when machines replace physical labor.
God in a Box with Toby Walsh
Q: What was the thinking behind this one in particular, which is really one of the series now?
Walsh wrote the book for people worried that machines may become smarter than humans and that society must confront the existential concerns surrounding AI.
Science Friction with Anna-Maria Arabia
Q: Why is having training-specific infrastructure here going to give us more leverage at the table?
Arabia says that if AI companies need Australian compute, the government could make access conditional on evaluating models, receiving them before public release and meeting safety and security requirements.

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Frequently Asked Questions About Burning Platforms

What is Burning Platforms about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A policy-forward tech show that dissects the politics, regulation, and societal impact of AI, data governance, and digital platforms in Australia. Through live and recorded discussions, it frequently covers government policy, privacy, platform accountability, and the interplay between technology, democracy, and industry livelihoods. Notable strengths include a steady roster of credible guests from government, advocacy, journalism, and academia, plus a practical focus on how regulatory choices, workforce impacts, and public accountability shape tech's future. The program often threads in real-world case studies (surveillance, copyright, data centers, and civic tech) and aims to translate complex policy debates into actionable insights for li... more

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