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Beyond Four Walls: Conversations on Affordable Housing

National Housing Conference
Affordable Housing
National Housing Conference
Homelessness
Racial Equity
Neighborhood Homes Investment Act
Public-Private Partnerships
New Markets Tax Credit
Housing Policy
Mortgage Bankers Association
Atlanta
Single-Family Rental
Detroit
Bipartisanship
Low Income Housing Tax Credit
Housing Supply
Interest Rates
Capital Magnet Fund
Artificial Intelligence
Veteran Affairs Loans
Housing Partnership Network

Beyond Four Walls: Conversations on Affordable Housing" is brought to you by the National Housing Conference (NHC), the nation's oldest and broadest coalition of affordable housing leaders in America. During our podcast, we will delve deep into America's pressing housing issues and get to know some of the people that have devoted their lives to seeking tangible, impactful, and achievable solutions... more

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On April 8, the National Housing Conference hosted its Solutions for Housing Communications convening at the National Press Club. The event brought together policymakers and affordable housing stakeholders to discuss tangible, impactful, and achievab... more

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In this week's episode, we welcome Bill Emerson, Board Member of Rocket Companies and a recipient of this year's Housing Visionary Award, which will be presented at NHC's annual Gala on June 24 at The Anthem in Washington, DC.

After more than three... more

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In this week's episode, we're joined by acclaimed historian and author Betty Boyd Caroli, a Fulbright scholar whose career has spanned topics from immigration to the lives of America's First Ladies.

Her latest book, "A Slumless America: Mary K. Si... more

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In this week's episode, we're joined by Jonathan Reckford, CEO of Habitat for Humanity, the global housing nonprofit that has helped more than 62 million people build, rehabilitate, or preserve their homes. Under Reckford's leadership, the organizati... more

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In this week's episode, NHC President and CEO David Dworkin talks with Wendy Penn, Vice President of Affordable Housing Initiatives at the Mortgage Bankers Association, and Anna Teye-Kasongo, Assistant Executive Director at the Affordable Housing All... more

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In this week's episode, we welcome Robert Pinnegar, President and CEO of the National Apartment Association, the leading voice for the rental housing industry committed to serving 139 state and local affiliates, nearly 113,000 members representing mo... more

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In this week's episode, NHC President and CEO David Dworkin sits down with Sharon Cornelissen, Director of Housing at the Consumer Federation of America, and author of Last House on the Block: Black Homeowners, White Homesteaders, and Failed Gentrifi... more

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On December 3, the National Housing Conference hosted its Solutions for Affordable Housing convening at the National Press Club. The event brought together policymakers and affordable housing stakeholders to discuss tangible, impactful, and achievabl... more

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Recent Guests

Bill Emerson
Board of Directors at Rocket Companies; former CEO of Rocket Mortgage
Rocket Companies
Episode: Three Decades of Change: Rocket's Bill Emerson on Leadership, Innovation, and the Future of Mortgage Lending
Betty Boyd Caroli
Acclaimed historian and author, Fulbright scholar
Author of A Slumless America, Mary K. Simkhovitch and the Dream of Affordable Housing
Episode: How Mary K. Simkhovitch shaped the affordable housing movement
Jonathan Reckford
CEO of Habitat for Humanity International
Habitat for Humanity International
Episode: Housing affordability challenges and solutions with Habitat's Jonathan Reckford
Wendy Penn
Vice President of Affordable Housing Initiatives at the Mortgage Bankers Association
Mortgage Bankers Association
Episode: How CONVERGENCE is expanding homeownership in Central Ohio and nationwide
Anna Teye-Kasongo
Assistant Executive Director at the Affordable Housing Alliance of Central Ohio
Affordable Housing Alliance of Central Ohio
Episode: How CONVERGENCE is expanding homeownership in Central Ohio and nationwide
Robert Pinnegar
President and CEO of the National Apartment Association
National Apartment Association
Episode: The state of the rental housing market with Bob Pinnegar, President and CEO, NAA
Sharon Cornelissen
Director of Housing at the Consumer Federation of America
Consumer Federation of America
Episode: Exploring gentrification and homeownership with CFA's Sharon Cornelissen
Kate Rodgers
A rising leader in student housing advocacy and state policy
Student HOMES Coalition
Episode: From campus to policy: tackling the student housing crisis
Ali Solis
NHC Board Chair, veteran housing policy leader
National Housing Conference
Episode: NHC leaders reflect on 2025 and what's ahead for housing in 2026

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David Dworkin
President and CEO of the National Housing Conference, Host of Beyond Four Walls, David Dworkin brings his extensive knowledge and experience in affordable housing advocacy to the discussions.

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A conversation with Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
Q: What is the current thinking on how the federal government should support housing supply, and what are the key mechanisms you think will move the needle?
The Road to Housing bill lays out multiple levers—speeding up approvals, financing, plan books, and incentives for cities to actually build more housing, with measurable outcomes and shared gains across different communities. It's about a holistic approach where federal support is conditioned on increased housing production.
WNC's Will Cooper, Jr., talks housing vouchers, supply, and labor shortages
Q: What are the most actionable recommendations agencies could implement now to improve voucher utilization without new legislation?
Extend voucher search periods, adopt a customer-service approach with landlord outreach, and support agencies with housing navigators and partnerships with nonprofits to streamline administration and reduce unit vacancies.
WNC's Will Cooper, Jr., talks housing vouchers, supply, and labor shortages
Q: We are familiar with LIHTC basics, but could you summarize how it works and why it matters for affordable housing?
LIHTC is a federal tax credit allocated to states, which then allot credits to developers. Those credits attract private equity to fund affordable housing projects, with long-term affordability requirements. The program has bipartisan appeal because it incentivizes private investment while delivering affordable homes and stability.
A conversation with Congressman Mike Flood (R-NE)
Q: What are the most important takeaways from your ongoing reform efforts on GSEs and the housing finance system?
Flood explains the tension between privatization, the role of small-town banks, the UMBS issue, and the need for cautious changes to avoid destabilizing mortgage markets.
A conversation with Congressman Mike Flood (R-NE)
Q: What do you see as the prospects of passing a full year CR, and how does housing fit into the broader budget and appropriations picture?
Flood discusses the option of including housing provisions in a Senate-approved package, the balance between year-long funding and targeted bills, and the aim to pass key housing measures before year-end.

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Focused on the critical issues surrounding affordable housing, content revolves around discussions with leaders and experts in various sectors—ranging from civil rights advocacy to economic analysis and government policy. The conversations often shed light on systemic barriers affecting housing accessibility, highlight innovative solutions like public-private partnerships, and emphasize the importance of legislation in addressing affordability. Unique to this series is the blend of personal narratives with data-driven insights, fostering a deep understanding of the housing landscape and advocating for equity in housing access. Listeners can expect not only to engage with the complex details of housing policy but also to connect with the hum... more

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