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Beyond Four Walls: Conversations on Affordable Housing

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New Markets Tax Credit
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Beyond Four Walls: Conversations on Affordable Housing" is brought to you by the National Housing Conference (NHC), the nation's oldest and broadest coalition of affordable housing leaders in America. During our podcast, we will delve deep into America's pressing housing issues and get to know some of the people that have devoted their lives to seeking tangible, impactful, and achievable solutions... more

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In this week's episode, we welcome Debra Still, retired CEO and Vice Chair of Pulte Financial Services and a recipient of NHC's 2026 Housing Visionary Award, which will be presented at NHC's Annual Gala on June 24 at The Anthem in Washington, D.C.

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On April 8, the National Housing Conference hosted its Solutions for Housing Communications convening at the National Press Club. The event brought together policymakers and affordable housing stakeholders to discuss tangible, impactful, and achievab... more

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In this week's episode, we welcome Bill Emerson, Board Member of Rocket Companies and a recipient of this year's Housing Visionary Award, which will be presented at NHC's annual Gala on June 24 at The Anthem in Washington, DC.

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In this week's episode, we're joined by acclaimed historian and author Betty Boyd Caroli, a Fulbright scholar whose career has spanned topics from immigration to the lives of America's First Ladies.

Her latest book, "A Slumless America: Mary K. Si... more

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In this week's episode, we're joined by Jonathan Reckford, CEO of Habitat for Humanity, the global housing nonprofit that has helped more than 62 million people build, rehabilitate, or preserve their homes. Under Reckford's leadership, the organizati... more

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In this week's episode, NHC President and CEO David Dworkin talks with Wendy Penn, Vice President of Affordable Housing Initiatives at the Mortgage Bankers Association, and Anna Teye-Kasongo, Assistant Executive Director at the Affordable Housing All... more

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In this week's episode, we welcome Robert Pinnegar, President and CEO of the National Apartment Association, the leading voice for the rental housing industry committed to serving 139 state and local affiliates, nearly 113,000 members representing mo... more

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In this week's episode, NHC President and CEO David Dworkin sits down with Sharon Cornelissen, Director of Housing at the Consumer Federation of America, and author of Last House on the Block: Black Homeowners, White Homesteaders, and Failed Gentrifi... more

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Bill Emerson
Board of Directors at Rocket Companies; former CEO of Rocket Mortgage
Rocket Companies
Episode: Three Decades of Change: Rocket's Bill Emerson on Leadership, Innovation, and the Future of Mortgage Lending
Betty Boyd Caroli
Acclaimed historian and author, Fulbright scholar
Author of A Slumless America, Mary K. Simkhovitch and the Dream of Affordable Housing
Episode: How Mary K. Simkhovitch shaped the affordable housing movement
Jonathan Reckford
CEO of Habitat for Humanity International
Habitat for Humanity International
Episode: Housing affordability challenges and solutions with Habitat's Jonathan Reckford
Wendy Penn
Vice President of Affordable Housing Initiatives at the Mortgage Bankers Association
Mortgage Bankers Association
Episode: How CONVERGENCE is expanding homeownership in Central Ohio and nationwide
Anna Teye-Kasongo
Assistant Executive Director at the Affordable Housing Alliance of Central Ohio
Affordable Housing Alliance of Central Ohio
Episode: How CONVERGENCE is expanding homeownership in Central Ohio and nationwide
Robert Pinnegar
President and CEO of the National Apartment Association
National Apartment Association
Episode: The state of the rental housing market with Bob Pinnegar, President and CEO, NAA
Sharon Cornelissen
Director of Housing at the Consumer Federation of America
Consumer Federation of America
Episode: Exploring gentrification and homeownership with CFA's Sharon Cornelissen
Kate Rodgers
A rising leader in student housing advocacy and state policy
Student HOMES Coalition
Episode: From campus to policy: tackling the student housing crisis
Ali Solis
NHC Board Chair, veteran housing policy leader
National Housing Conference
Episode: NHC leaders reflect on 2025 and what's ahead for housing in 2026

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David Dworkin
Host of Beyond Four Walls: Conversations on Affordable Housing; President and CEO of the National Housing Conference

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Michael Novogradac talks housing tax incentives and Opportunity Zones
Q: What is the role of the New Markets Tax Credit, and why is its extension important for communities?
New Markets Tax Credit provides below-market financing for community development projects in distressed areas, with stronger recapture terms, and its extension or permanence is viewed as essential to sustaining long-term development in targeted communities.
Michael Novogradac talks housing tax incentives and Opportunity Zones
Q: How do Opportunity Zones function to attract investment, and what are the concerns about 2.0 versus 1.0?
Opportunity Zones incentivize equity capital into distressed areas, which has driven substantial investment, especially in housing; concerns focus on how the Bird Rule and zoning changes could reduce zone count or limit benefits unless refined in the Senate.
Michael Novogradac talks housing tax incentives and Opportunity Zones
Q: What are the three major housing provisions that the bill aims to address, and what impact could they have?
They include lowering the 50% test for private activity bonds to 25%, restoring the 12.5% increase for the 9% credit for four years, and adding a basis boost for rural and tribal communities, collectively enabling hundreds of thousands of new affordable units.
The future of affordable senior housing with SKA Marin's Sydelle Knepper
Q: What is the process for securing and managing project-based Section 8 tenants in a building?
We partner with NYCHA's project-based Section 8 program, which has a lengthy list of applicants. The key steps are interviewing applicants, gathering income documentation, and coordinating with the building for tenant certifications. The process is time-consuming and complex, but crucial for ensuring long-term affordability.
The future of affordable senior housing with SKA Marin's Sydelle Knepper
Q: How do you integrate Section 8 with other subsidies in a single development?
We often stack multiple programs—LIHTC, HOME, project-based Section 8, and sometimes state or city funds—so the project can cover its costs. The exact mix depends on land cost, construction costs, and insurance; sometimes it's a menu, sometimes a stack, but combining these tools is essential to feasibility.

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The show centers on housing policy, affordability, and housing finance, hosting a steady stream of policymakers, researchers, nonprofit leaders, and industry professionals who analyze how to expand access to safe, affordable homes. Episodes frequently explore bipartisan policy solutions, financing mechanisms (like LIHTC and reform proposals), cross-sector collaboration, and local implementation—from city-level housing strategies to state and federal reforms. Notable threads include lessons from disasters and resilience, the role of data in shaping policy, and practical steps to accelerate supply, improve housing access for students and veterans, and reduce displacement. The program often pairs high-profile policymakers with industry and adv... more

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