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Beyond Four Walls: Conversations on Affordable Housing

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Beyond Four Walls: Conversations on Affordable Housing" is brought to you by the National Housing Conference (NHC), the nation's oldest and broadest coalition of affordable housing leaders in America. During our podcast, we will delve deep into America's pressing housing issues and get to know some of the people that have devoted their lives to seeking tangible, impactful, and achievable solutions... more

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In this week's episode, we're joined by Theresa Finney Dumais, President and CEO of Stewards of Affordable Housing for the Future (SAHF), a national collaborative of nonprofit affordable housing providers that owns and operates more than 160,000 affo... more

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In this week's episode, we welcome Debra Still, retired CEO and Vice Chair of Pulte Financial Services and a recipient of NHC's 2026 Housing Visionary Award, which will be presented at NHC's Annual Gala on June 24 at The Anthem in Washington, D.C.

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On April 8, the National Housing Conference hosted its Solutions for Housing Communications convening at the National Press Club. The event brought together policymakers and affordable housing stakeholders to discuss tangible, impactful, and achievab... more

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In this week's episode, we welcome Bill Emerson, Board Member of Rocket Companies and a recipient of this year's Housing Visionary Award, which will be presented at NHC's annual Gala on June 24 at The Anthem in Washington, DC.

After more than three... more

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In this week's episode, we're joined by acclaimed historian and author Betty Boyd Caroli, a Fulbright scholar whose career has spanned topics from immigration to the lives of America's First Ladies.

Her latest book, "A Slumless America: Mary K. Si... more

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In this week's episode, we're joined by Jonathan Reckford, CEO of Habitat for Humanity, the global housing nonprofit that has helped more than 62 million people build, rehabilitate, or preserve their homes. Under Reckford's leadership, the organizati... more

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In this week's episode, NHC President and CEO David Dworkin talks with Wendy Penn, Vice President of Affordable Housing Initiatives at the Mortgage Bankers Association, and Anna Teye-Kasongo, Assistant Executive Director at the Affordable Housing All... more

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In this week's episode, we welcome Robert Pinnegar, President and CEO of the National Apartment Association, the leading voice for the rental housing industry committed to serving 139 state and local affiliates, nearly 113,000 members representing mo... more

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Recent Guests

Theresa Finney Dumais
President and CEO of Stewards of Affordable Housing for the Future (SAHF)
Stewards of Affordable Housing for the Future (SAHF)
Episode: SAHF's Theresa Dumais on resident services, preservation, and affordable housing
Debra Still
Leader in housing finance and mortgage banking; former president and CEO of Pulte Mortgage/Pulte Financial Services
Pulte Mortgage/Pulte Financial Services
Episode: At the center of change: Debra Still's four decades shaping mortgage finance
Bill Emerson
Board of Directors at Rocket Companies; former CEO of Rocket Mortgage
Rocket Companies
Episode: Three Decades of Change: Rocket's Bill Emerson on Leadership, Innovation, and the Future of Mortgage Lending
Betty Boyd Caroli
Acclaimed historian and author, Fulbright scholar
Author of A Slumless America, Mary K. Simkhovitch and the Dream of Affordable Housing
Episode: How Mary K. Simkhovitch shaped the affordable housing movement
Jonathan Reckford
CEO of Habitat for Humanity International
Habitat for Humanity International
Episode: Housing affordability challenges and solutions with Habitat's Jonathan Reckford
Wendy Penn
Vice President of Affordable Housing Initiatives at the Mortgage Bankers Association
Mortgage Bankers Association
Episode: How CONVERGENCE is expanding homeownership in Central Ohio and nationwide
Anna Teye-Kasongo
Assistant Executive Director at the Affordable Housing Alliance of Central Ohio
Affordable Housing Alliance of Central Ohio
Episode: How CONVERGENCE is expanding homeownership in Central Ohio and nationwide
Robert Pinnegar
President and CEO of the National Apartment Association
National Apartment Association
Episode: The state of the rental housing market with Bob Pinnegar, President and CEO, NAA
Sharon Cornelissen
Director of Housing at the Consumer Federation of America
Consumer Federation of America
Episode: Exploring gentrification and homeownership with CFA's Sharon Cornelissen

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David Dworkin
Host of Beyond Four Walls: Conversations on Affordable Housing; President and CEO of the National Housing Conference

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SAHF's Theresa Dumais on resident services, preservation, and affordable housing
Q: What is SAHF and what value do its members bring to policy?
SAHF is a coalition of 13 large nonprofit affordable housing developers/operators; its members provide multi-state portfolios, engage in resident services, and share best practices to inform policy and improve industry-wide outcomes.
SAHF's Theresa Dumais on resident services, preservation, and affordable housing
Q: How did the guest find her path into housing and what kept her in the field for decades?
She grew up with housing instability, found volunteering with Habitat for Humanity during college, and stayed because the on-ground, practical impact of housing work kept drawing her back.
SAHF's Theresa Dumais on resident services, preservation, and affordable housing
Q: What's the most interesting and important fact about you that has nothing to do with housing?
The guest describes a personal story about her daughter's passion for horses and how family involvement alongside work shaped her work-life balance and grounding in what's important.
At the center of change: Debra Still's four decades shaping mortgage finance
Q: What advice would you give to young professionals today, especially women entering the housing and mortgage industry?
Lead by delivering exceptional results in your current role, stay curious about how the business works, raise your hand for opportunities, and build visibility and leadership capability early through involvement in committees and initiatives.
Michael Novogradac talks housing tax incentives and Opportunity Zones
Q: What is the role of the New Markets Tax Credit, and why is its extension important for communities?
New Markets Tax Credit provides below-market financing for community development projects in distressed areas, with stronger recapture terms, and its extension or permanence is viewed as essential to sustaining long-term development in targeted communities.

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The show centers on housing policy, affordability, and housing finance, hosting a steady stream of policymakers, researchers, nonprofit leaders, and industry professionals who analyze how to expand access to safe, affordable homes. Episodes frequently explore bipartisan policy solutions, financing mechanisms (like LIHTC and reform proposals), cross-sector collaboration, and local implementation—from city-level housing strategies to state and federal reforms. Notable threads include lessons from disasters and resilience, the role of data in shaping policy, and practical steps to accelerate supply, improve housing access for students and veterans, and reduce displacement. The program often pairs high-profile policymakers with industry and adv... more

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