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Scaling Laws explores (and occasionally answers) the questions that keep OpenAI’s policy team up at night, the ones that motivate legislators to host hearings on AI and draft new AI bills, and the ones that are top of mind for tech-savvy law and policy students. Co-hosts Alan Rozenshtein, Professor at Minnesota Law and Research Director at Lawfare, and Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow a... more

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Gabriel Nicholas, a member of the Product Public Policy team at Anthropic, joins Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at Lawfare, to introduce the policy problems (and some solutions... more

Alan Rozenshtein, senior editor at Lawfare, spoke with Brett Goldstein, special advisor to the chancellor on national security and strategic initiatives at Vanderbilt University; Brett Benson, associate professor of political science at Vanderbilt Un... more

California State Senator Scott Wiener, author of Senate Bill 53--a frontier AI safety bill--signed into law by Governor Newsom earlier this month, joins Alan Rozenshtein, Associate Professor at Minnesota Law and Research Director at Lawfare, and Kevi... more

Mosharaf Chowdhury, associate professor at the University of Michigan and director of the ML Energy lab, and Dan Zhao, AI researcher at MIT, GoogleX, and Microsoft focused on AI for science and sustainable and energy-efficient AI, join Kevin Frazier,... more

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Recent Guests

Brett Goldstein
Special Advisor to the Chancellor on National Security and Strategic Initiatives
Vanderbilt University
Episode: The GoLaxy Revelations: China's AI-Driven Influence Operations, with Brett Goldstein, Brett Benson, and Renée DiResta
Brett Benson
Associate Professor of Political Science
Vanderbilt University
Episode: The GoLaxy Revelations: China's AI-Driven Influence Operations, with Brett Goldstein, Brett Benson, and Renée DiResta
Renée DiResta
Associate Research Professor at Georgetown University's McCourt School of Public Policy
Georgetown University
Episode: The GoLaxy Revelations: China's AI-Driven Influence Operations, with Brett Goldstein, Brett Benson, and Renée DiResta
Scott Wiener
State Senator representing San Francisco, involved in important discussions regarding AI regulation
California State Senate
Episode: Sen. Scott Wiener on California Senate Bill 53
Moshaf Chaudhry
Associate Professor at the University of Michigan and Director of the ML Energy Lab
University of Michigan
Episode: AI and Energy: What do we know? What are we learning?
Dan Zhao
AI researcher at MIT, Google X, and Microsoft focused on AI for science and sustainability
MIT, Google X, and Microsoft
Episode: AI and Energy: What do we know? What are we learning?
David Sullivan
Founding executive director of the Digital Trust and Safety Partnership
Digital Trust and Safety Partnership
Episode: AI Safety Meet Trust & Safety with Ravi Iyer and David Sullivan
Ravi Iyer
Managing director of the Psychology of Technology Institute at USC's Neely Center
USC's Neely Center
Episode: AI Safety Meet Trust & Safety with Ravi Iyer and David Sullivan
Neil Chilson
Head of AI Policy at the Abundance Institute
Abundance Institute
Episode: The Ivory Tower and AI (Live from IHS's Technology, Liberalism, and Abundance Conference).

Hosts

Alan Rozenshtein
Associate Professor of Law and Research Director at Lawfare, with a focus on AI policy and its legal implications.
Kevin Frazier
AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas, involved in discussions and writings on AI legislation and policy.

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4.6 out of 5 stars from 43 ratings
  • Scaling Laws formerly Arbiters of Truth

    Episodes of Scaling Laws begin 2025.07.02. Any review/rating before this date presumably applied to AoT. I’m just noting this for the record b/c the current featured review was authored in 2024.

    (Also noted for the record: Hook ‘Em, Horns! 🙃)

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Suzushka
    United States3 months ago
  • Can't believe they gave doxxer/journalist/Karen Taylor Lorenz a platform.

    Can't believe they gave doxxer/journalist/Karen Taylor Lorenz a platform. Shame.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    jaiboregio78
    United States2 years ago
  • Bringing in the Content Moderation Auditors

    The about auditing edition w/ Colleen Honigsberg was interesting anyway, but when Dr. Honigsberg turned questions back to Evelyn Douek, it was especially so. Getting clear about transparency is harder than one might think.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Thulin Passage
    Canada3 years ago
  • They finally got their own show!

    Yay! This is, by a mile, the best audio resource about the downside of social media. Evelyn, Quinta et al are distinctive in their ability to let their subjects do the talking. You won’t find much show-boating here, just good information.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MBelderson
    United Kingdom3 years ago

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Listeners appreciate the comprehensive insights provided on AI and its regulations, often highlighting the depth of discussion on pertinent topics.
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Sen. Scott Wiener on California Senate Bill 53
Q: Did your colleagues turn to you for help during AI debates?
Yes, there are knowledgeable members in the California legislature about technology and AI who have been active in the space.
Sen. Scott Wiener on California Senate Bill 53
Q: Why have you spent so much of your very valuable and very creative political capital on this issue?
I was asked by people in the AI community to have conversations around AI safety and to explore a policy approach leading to the AI safety bill.
AI and Young Minds: Navigating Mental Health Risks with Renee DiResta and Jess Miers
Q: What are the distinct risks that generative AI systems pose to children?
Children interacting with AI chatbots may face severe mental health risks, including exacerbation of pre-existing conditions, which can lead to tragic outcomes.
AI and the Future of Work: Joshua Gans on Navigating Job Displacement
Q: Would you say that's a fair assessment?
Gans acknowledges the value of task-by-task analysis but emphasizes the need for a systems-level understanding of job impacts caused by technology adoption.
AI and the Future of Work: Joshua Gans on Navigating Job Displacement
Q: How are you reading these headlines right now? Is it accurate?
Gans expresses skepticism about the headlines suggesting mass unemployment due to AI, noting speculation around job displacement and the requirement for an unprecedented GDP increase for mass unemployment to occur.

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Focusing on the intersection of artificial intelligence (AI) and policy, discussions often center around the regulation of AI technology, its implications for society, and the evolving landscape of legislation governing its use. Co-hosts engage with experts across various sectors, addressing pressing questions in the realm of AI, including influence operations, AI energy consumption, and concerns regarding job displacement. Unique to this program is its blend of expert interviews and rapid-response analysis of current events, making it a valuable resource for those interested in understanding the complexities surrounding AI governance and its impact on daily life.

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