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Rational Security

The Lawfare Institute
Trump Administration
Donald Trump
National Security
Ukraine
Russia
Iran
Israel
Supreme Court
Gaza
Artificial Intelligence
United States
Biden Administration
Tiktok
China
Middle East
NATO
U.S. Foreign Policy
Syria
Fani Willis
Venezuela

A weekly discussion of national security and foreign policy matters hosted by Lawfare Senior Editor Scott R. Anderson.

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This week, Scott sat down with his colleagues Lawfare Senior Editors Kevin Frazier and Roger Parloff, and Lawfare Contributing Editor and Vice President of Research, Security and Defense at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs Ariane Tabatabai, to t... more

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This week, Scott celebrated the fifth anniversary of Rational Security 2.0 with the return of co-hosts emeriti Shane Harris, Quinta Jurecic, and Benjamin Wittes. In varying degrees of witheringness, the four sat in brutal judgment of this year’s Hot ... more

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This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Senior Editors Molly Roberts and Eric Columbus, and Contributing Editor Renée DiResta, to talk through the week’s big domestic news stories, including:

* “Signed, Sealed, Undelivered.” As the fi... more

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This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Editor in Chief Benjamin Wittes, Public Service Fellow Julia Curlee, and Contributing Editor Alex Zerden to talk through the week’s big news in national security, including:

* “Skynet’s the Limi... more

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Recent Guests

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Mike Feinberg
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Renée DiResta
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Episode: The "Scoot Over" Edition
Michael Feinberg
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Ariane Tabatabai
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Alan Rozenshtein
Lawfare Research Director
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Nastya Lapatina
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Episode: The “Mosquitos and Heat and Sweaty and Eww” Edition
Kari Heerman
Senior Fellow, Brookings Institution
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Episode: The “No Banner is Safe” Edition

Hosts

Scott R. Anderson
Host of the program; Lawfare senior editor focusing on national security and constitutional law.
Benjamin Wittes
Rational Security co-host; Emeritus Lawfare Editor-in-Chief; noted commentator on constitutional law and national security.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 2.4k ratings
  • Less repetition of what you wrote/said elsewhere. More conversation. More digging in.

    Appreciate this show when the panel remembers it is a round table and actually have conversations. Leave the minutiae and expertise vomit for in depth podcasts. In general, RatSec needs to limit what of other Lawfare podcast topics get repeated here. Refer to the episode of the relevant podcast and restate minimally what was covered there. Also, too many contributors spent too much time in high school forensics, unnecessarily complicated wording and verbose discussions of minutiae that just d... more

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    greyhound-daddy
    United States4 months ago
  • Pro-Israel Propaganda Dressed As Analysis - LISTEN WITH CAUTION PRESENTERS MOST LIKELY FUNDED BY IDF

    A complete joke. Three Israeli backed “presenters” regard Iran, a 5000 year plus civilisation in the region as the “major destabilising force”, when Israel from it’s founding started with violence and continued and continues with violence. Your analysis is not just flawed but of no consequence to the reality.

    Israel dragged Trump into a war he has LOST. Israel doesn’t care about the US, it wanted to shore up war criminal prime minister Netanyahu before the upcoming elections, given his failure ... more

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    Vitas7890
    United Kingdom5 months ago
  • What?

    I respected this podcast until I heard the unadulterated praise for For All Mankind, by far the most ridiculous and sanitary of all Apple TV shows. I seriously question Scott’s judgment now. I’m not sure I can put this behind me.

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    Greg Dudek
    United States6 months ago
  • Empire Podcast

    In addition to The Rest is History podcast, I recommend The Empire podcast with William Dalrymple and Anita Anan.

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    Pudelmom
    United States6 months ago
  • That terrible feeling

    That terrible feeling when you realize that all the foreign policy commenters you’ve been listening to are “both sides” fake moderate Trump apologists just dying to explain to you why it’s ok to target journalists . I keep on thinking I wanna hear from people who used to work in law-enforcement, when trying to understand what our current law-enforcement is doing. And then I remember, all those people used to work in law-enforcement…

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    SKNEIL
    United States7 months ago

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Critiques focus on pacing, humor, and occasional drift into domestic politics.
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Listeners praise deep, analytic discussion and guest expertise.
Audience appreciates legal framing but some prefer less repetition of topics.

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#95
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The “Fifth Anniversary Hot Take Takedown” Edition
Q: Is Greenland a plausible next hotspot for U.S. foreign policy under Trump?
The panel debates whether Trump's Greenland fixation reflects strategic opportunism or a real policy threat, weighing NATO cohesion, domestic politics, and broader regional implications, with some arguing it should be treated as a serious priority and others as a distraction from Iran.
The “Fifth Anniversary Hot Take Takedown” Edition
Q: What makes the Bourne film critique compelling or flawed as a national security argument?
The guest contends Bourne's portrayal highlights the complexity and potential propaganda in popular media, while others push back that it's a broader critique of US power and not a direct reflection of actual intelligence operations.
The “Fifth Anniversary Hot Take Takedown” Edition
Q: Why advocate abolishing the PDB in favor of bespoke briefers?
The contestant argues the PDB is a lagging, bulky product that doesn't meet the needs of contemporary decision-makers who require up-to-date, customizable briefings; a one-on-one liaison model could deliver faster, more relevant intelligence.
The “Scare Them When They’re Young” Edition
Q: Ari, I want to turn to you to get us started.
Ari discusses how domestic unrest in Iran is being fueled by inflation and oppressive political regimes, noting the significance of the protests first emerging in the bazaar rather than urban areas.
The “Inadequate Chicken Moved to Inferior Location” Special End-of-Year Edition
Q: With the escalating rhetoric in the Caribbean, what lessons should we be keeping in mind from the lead up to the Iraq War?
The Bush administration operated in good faith, believing in threats that turned out to be exaggerated. Differences now indicate that there may not be a genuine belief in narrative surrounding Venezuela.

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A rigorous roundtable focusing on national security, foreign policy, and law, with deep dives into governance, geopolitics, and policy implications. Episodes frequently feature analyses of U.S. strategy, international law, alliance dynamics, and emerging tech policy, often anchored byLawfare editors and seasoned practitioners. Notable strengths include sharp legal and policy framing, strong guest expertise from think tanks and government, and a balance of technical detail with accessible discussion. Potential listeners include policy professionals, researchers, lawyers, and decision-makers seeking compact, high-signal analysis on current security issues and regulatory debates.

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