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About the Rest

Joe Rodriguez
CRNA
Anesthesia
Anesthesiology
American Association Of Nurse Anesthesiology
Motion
Covid-19
Healthcare Workforce Dynamics
Eric Rausch
Dee Bender
Northstar Anesthesia
Medgeo Ventures
Job Placement
Career Platform
Healthcare Industry
Crnas
Private Equity In Healthcare
American Nurses Association
Nurse Anesthetists
Federal Trade Commission
Gaswork

I'm Joe Rodriguez, CRNA. After co-hosting the podcast Anesthesia Deconstructed for years, I kept running into the same problem. I was told that if I stayed clinically excellent and kept my head down, the rest would take care of itself. If you're reading this, you know all too well… IT DOES NOT. Unfortunately, time and time again, I discovered that the most impactful tools to leverage throughout my... more

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Anesthesia IDR is a knife fight, and in 2026 both sides finally have a knife. Providers are winning most No Surprises Act disputes. Payers are answering with canceled contracts and warnings to hospitals. Who walks away?

Host Joseph Rodriguez (Co-Fou... more

Anesthesia groups and payers have always fought over reimbursement. AI just changed the weapons. Joe Rodriguez sits down with Randy Moore of NorthStar Anesthesia and Gary Keeling of Coronis Health to break down the AI billing arms race, what a new BC... more

Anesthesia stipends are rising, and the contract structure may be part of the cause. When a facility guarantees revenue, the anesthesia group has less reason to chase collections or negotiate payer contracts. Facilities respond by insourcing, and the... more

CRNA locums pay has been on a steep curve, and curves correct. The internet says 1099 vs W2 CRNA conversion is 50%. Real conversions land at 20 to 25%. And some CRNAs are supervised all week, then trusted to run solo every weekend.

Host Joe Rodrigue... more

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Recent Guests

Randy Moore
Executive vice president and national chief CRNA at NorthStar Anesthesia
NorthStar Anesthesia
Episode: Anesthesia Business in 2026: AI and Group vs. Payer Trench Warfare
Gary Keeling
Vice president of anesthesia services at Coronis RCM
Coronis RCM
Episode: Anesthesia Business in 2026: AI and Group vs. Payer Trench Warfare
Davern Davis
Question asker from Nevada, engaging host team with industry questions
Episode: Office Hours: Anesthesia Stipends Rising: Are Anesthesiologists and CRNAs the Cause? Insourcing, GI Self-Dealing
Tracy Young
Chief Operating Officer, Essential Anesthesia
Essential Anesthesia
Episode: USAP Paid Envision $9 Million to Stay Out of Dallas per FTC; Union Updates, Krewe Acquired
Andrew Woodmancey
Managing Director of Anesthesia Operations Consultants
Anesthesia Operations Consultants
Episode: Does Your Schooling Actually Matter If You're Not Solving Problems for Surgeons and Patients?
Paul Lefebvre
Lead claims professional and risk advisor
Physicians Preferred Medical
Episode: Anesthesia Deconstructed: I Got Sued for Malpractice. Here’s What Really Happens.
Andrew Clark
Head of business development at Physicians Preferred Medical
Physicians Preferred Medical
Episode: Anesthesia Deconstructed: I Got Sued for Malpractice. Here’s What Really Happens.
Chrissy Massaro
A CRNA and founder of Confident Care Academy, focusing on education for nurses and aspiring CRNAs.
Confident Care Academy
Episode: Anesthesia Deconstructed: From ICU to CRNA - How Social Media is Transforming Nursing Education
Dr. Jed Wolpaw
Academic anesthesiologist at Johns Hopkins and creator of Accrac podcast
Johns Hopkins
Episode: Anesthesia Deconstructed: Lifelong Learning - ACCRAC Founder Jed Wolpaw, MD, on Education, Growth, and Anesthesia Excellence

Host

Joe Rodriguez
Host of About the Rest; frequent contributor on anesthesia business, policy, and leadership topics

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 406 ratings
  • No malarkey, genuine quality.

    This podcast keeps me abreast of the contemporary issues surrounding the anesthesia world for CRNAs without wading through the social media malarkey.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Live at the Sea
    United States4 months ago
  • Keeps me informed, inspired, and proud to be a CRNA.

    I’ve been a CRNA for 13 years, and this podcast has quickly become one of my favorites! It offers insight into topics that impact our profession beyond the OR. After listening to multiple episodes, I feel more informed, empowered, and connected to the bigger picture of our practice. Thank you for the time, thought, and effort you put into each episode—it truly makes me and our profession stronger!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Azteresa
    United Statesa year ago
  • They Bring Exactly What Was Needed in the Professional Advanced Practice Space

    Anesthesia Deconstructed has been an essential, eye-opening resource for me over the past year. I first discovered Dr. Mike MacKinnon and Joe Rodriguez’s podcast after my very first anesthesia shadow experience with National University CRNA, and it immediately set the tone for how seriously I wanted to approach this profession.

    Unlike the typical clinical podcasts I was used to, Anesthesia Deconstructed tackles the legal, organizational, political, economic, and entrepreneurial realities of thi... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    N.p.rogress1
    United Statesa year ago
  • Great for CRNA profession

    Thank you for the podcast really interesting to listen to. Inspired me to look into national university CRNA program

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MomoElite
    United States3 years ago
  • Information that needs to be heard

    This podcast gets real without sugar coating information that needs to be heard. Anyone in anesthesia needs to listen

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    thelifestylecrna
    United States3 years ago

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Content is blunt and unfiltered, valuable for real-world F&O insights.
Occasional delivery issues noted in phone interviews; consider transcripts or captions.
Overall, guests are high-caliber and topics are timely for anesthesia leaders.
Audience appreciates practical takeaways on deals, subsidies, and market shifts.

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Anesthesia Business in 2026: AI and Group vs. Payer Trench Warfare
Q: I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but just recently in the last few days, Imagine Software, which is a common software for billing companies, is releasing its own AI software. So AI is everywhere. Guys, I'm not sure how you guys are seeing this in your own personal practice and or on the billing side. But Gary, you're deep in the billing world. Why don't we start with you, any thoughts or reflections here?
Gary Keeling says AI can help flag coding cases for human review, but he expects humans to remain involved. Randy Moore describes an emerging arms race in which providers use AI to capture revenue while insurers use it to identify errors and deny claims, potentially raising healthcare costs and premiums.
Anesthesia Business in 2026: AI and Group vs. Payer Trench Warfare
Q: On the opt-out, is this an uptick or is this kind of the typical run rate of opt-out every 12 to 24 months?
Joe Rodriguez says three opt-outs in one year is unusual and links the developments to provider shortages and demand for flexibility. Gary Keeling says adoption can become easier as more states opt out.
Office Hours: Anesthesia Stipends Rising: Are Anesthesiologists and CRNAs the Cause? Insourcing, GI Self-Dealing
Q: Davern Davis from Nevada asked how different facilities pay for anesthesia and what proportion of facilities in specific regions are paying stipends for anesthesia.
Two main stipend models exist: flat subsidies that are tied to case volume and a dynamic structure that adjusts monthly with various risk-sharing mechanisms; in competitive markets, contracts are complex and revolve around cost, revenue guarantees, and regulatory considerations, with significant implications for consolidation and in-house strategies.
Goliaths at War: The Fight Over Anesthesia
Q: What do you think about the FTC case against USAP and its implications for market competition?
The guests view the FTC action as a catalyst illustrating the push-pull between competition and consolidation; while it creates short-term disruption, it may also prompt divestitures and a rebalancing of market share, ultimately affecting how hospitals recruit and structure anesthesia programs.
Anesthesia Deconstructed: I Thought We Were Winning. Then, We Got Fired: Essentials of Anesthesia Leadership
Q: What is the toolkit you use to take that potential and transform it into being an effective leader?
Dr. Rodriguez discusses frameworks such as 'Crucial Conversations', 'The Four Agreements', and 'Five Dysfunctions of a Team' as essential tools for developing leadership efficacy.

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Steady focus on the business, policy, and economics of anesthesia dominates. Episodes dissect staffing market dynamics, governance and ownership changes, reimbursement debates, and the tension between clinical practice and market forces. Listeners likely include leaders and clinicians navigating contracts, subsidies, and consolidation, with candid takes on how deals are structured, how value is communicated, and what leadership looks like under pressure. A notable edge is the emphasis on the non-clinical levers—money, leverage, and negotiations—paired with blunt discussions about regulation, private equity, and market disruption that keeps a practitioner's eye on the entire ecosystem rather than the OR alone.

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2. Gary Keeling
3. Davern Davis
4. Tracy Young
5. Andrew Woodmancey
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7. Andrew Clark
8. Chrissy Massaro

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