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AI and the Future of Law

Practising Law Institute
Artificial Intelligence
Generative AI
Legal Education
Legal Technology
Legal Profession
Law Firms
Garfield Law
Chatgpt
Legal Industry
Access To Justice
Openai
American Arbitration Association
Legal Research
Thomson Reuters
Dispute Resolution
Law
Technology In Law
Skills Development
Ross AI
Deep Research

AI and the Future of Law is your essential podcast for understanding how artificial intelligence is revolutionizing the legal industry. Hosted by Bridget McCormack and Jen Leonard, each episode delves into cutting-edge technologies, trends, and strategies, providing invaluable insights for legal professionals, tech enthusiasts, and anyone curious about the future of law. Join us as we navigate the... more

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What does Kirkland & Ellis’ $500 million AI bet mean for Big Law — and for junior lawyers?

In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack discuss Kirkland’s reported investment in building its own proprietary AI platform and what it signals abou... more

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What does it mean to be an AI-ready lawyer?

In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by Farrah Pepper, legal innovation partner at Harvey, and Kirsten Talmage, chief strategy officer at Practising Law Institute, to discuss The A... more

What is an AI-native law firm?

In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by John Nay, founder and CEO of Norm AI and Norm Law, for a conversation about agentic law, AI-native legal services, and what it means to build legal work ... more

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How is AI changing the work of in-house legal teams?

In this episode, Jen Leonard and Bridget McCormack are joined by Nick Fleisher, co-founder and CEO of Sandstone, an AI-native platform built specifically for in-house legal teams. Nick discusses h... more

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Farrah Pepper
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Kirsten Talmage
Chief strategy officer with Practicing Law Institute (PLI)
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Episode: What Does It Mean to Be an AI-Ready Lawyer? Farrah Pepper and Kirsten Talmage on AI Competency
John Nay
Founder and CEO of Norm AI and Norm Law
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Episode: What Is an AI-Native Law Firm? John Nay on Norm AI and Norm Law
Nick Fleisher
Co-founder and CEO of Sandstone
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Episode: How AI Is Reshaping In-House Legal Teams with Nick Fleisher
Sharon Crane
President of Practicing Law Institute (PLI)
Practicing Law Institute
Episode: Can Law Firms Redesign Themselves for AI? Jen Leonard on Unprecedented
Daniel Schwarcz
Fredrikson & Byron Professor of Law, University of Minnesota Law School
University of Minnesota Law School
Episode: Can AI Make Lawyers Better? Daniel Schwarcz on AI and Human Legal Reasoning
Jae Um
Analyst and founder of Lumio, expert on AmLaw 100 power rankings
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Episode: The Am Law 100 Power Rankings: What’s Changing in Big Law with Jae Um
Jason Barnwell
Chief Legal Officer at Agiloft, MIT-educated engineer and former Microsoft legal operations leader
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Episode: Jason Barnwell on AI Agents, Contract Lifecycle Management, and the Future of Legal Work
Dave Hoffman
Professor of Law, University of Pennsylvania Law School
University of Pennsylvania Law School
Episode: How AI Is Changing Contract Law with Dave Hoffman

Hosts

Bridget McCormack
Host of AI and the Future of Law
Jen Leonard
Co-host and founder of Creative Lawyers

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 40 ratings
  • Awesome!!

    Great podcast, very informative and thought provoking, thanks for making AI a little easier to understand! So funny too

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ChenL1998
    United Statesa year ago
  • New favorite podcast

    Not only is the info timely, accurate, and forward thinking for lawyers and any citizen of earth (love when they say this), but the dynamic duo of Jen and Bridget is hilarious and so fun to listen to. For layers and non-lawyers alike.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Mary B J
    United Statesa year ago
  • A Must-Listen for Anyone in the Legal Profession

    This show offers a refreshing and practical exploration of how AI is shaping the legal profession. First of all, hosts McCormack and Leonard have incredibly pleasant voices. And they are great at breaking down AI concepts in ways that are highly relevant and applicable to lawyers, law firms, and legal related professionals, without being overwhelming or overly technical. I highly recommended!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Kat Sintz
    United States2 years ago

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Dynamic hosts are entertaining and make complex topics approachable, without sacrificing depth.
Listeners praise accessible, practical AI insights for lawyers and non-lawyers alike.
Guests are described as credible experts delivering timely, relevant content for the legal profession.

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What Does It Mean to Be an AI-Ready Lawyer? Farrah Pepper and Kirsten Talmage on AI Competency
Q: How is the framework intended to be used by individuals and organizations?
Individuals can audit their own knowledge and identify gaps, while organizations can audit their training catalogs, map programs to pillars and competencies, and plan a path to higher proficiency for all attorneys, with flexibility to adapt to different firm sizes and structures.
What Does It Mean to Be an AI-Ready Lawyer? Farrah Pepper and Kirsten Talmage on AI Competency
Q: What is the AI competency framework and why was it created?
It is a five-pillar framework with 20 competencies and three levels of proficiency intended to create a shared, evolving language about AI fluency that can be applied across law schools, firms, and organizations, helping standardize understanding and training without prescribing a single path. It grew out of cross-institution collaboration to address varied interpretations of AI competency across firms.
Can AI Make Lawyers Better? Daniel Schwarcz on AI and Human Legal Reasoning
Q: Can you explain how the randomized trial was set up and what the key stages were?
Participants read a limited set of legal materials, answered multiple-choice questions, considered a hypothetical application, and then revised a memo. They were randomized to use AI at stage one or not; all used AI at stage four for revision. The goal was to see how early AI use affects later understanding and performance.
Can AI Make Lawyers Better? Daniel Schwarcz on AI and Human Legal Reasoning
Q: What's something you've been using AI for, Daniel, that you find particularly interesting?
I use AI for almost everything to help me, but the moment I found most striking was how it trained lawyers to think in follow ups, clarifications, and hypotheticals—skills that align with using AI well and getting the most out of it.
Jason Barnwell on AI Agents, Contract Lifecycle Management, and the Future of Legal Work
Q: Tell us about contract lifecycle management and why AI matters for it.
Jason explains that CLM is the end-to-end lifecycle of contracts—from negotiation and codification to performance and enforcement—and that Agiloft has embedded AI experiences into CLM to pull insights, automate routine analysis, and unlock quick value by enabling customers to run simulations, create playbooks, and deploy agentic workflows that scale across organizations.

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