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You Can Be Both

Lauren Lanzaretta
Christianity
LGBTQ+ Community
Mental Health
Conversion Therapy
LGBTQ Community
LGBTQ+
Religious Trauma
Self-Acceptance
LGBTQ
Love
Bible Interpretation
Divorce
Faith and Sexuality
Therapy
Trauma Healing
Religious Abuse
Community Support
Religious Denominations
Faith
Identity

You Can Be Both is hosted by singer/songwriter Lauren Lanzaretta, who shares honest conversations about being both gay and Christian—two identities often seen as incompatible. The podcast creates space for LGBTQ+ people of faith to find healing, community, and a deeper connection with Christ while fully embracing who they are. As a first step to your healing journey, I recommend the “LGBTQ+ Healin... more

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For more than 20 years, Leah Rae Yawn (formerly Shafer) was a gospel worship leader at Saddleback Church. She sang for Women of Faith, worked with Michael W. Smith and Natalie Grant, recorded multiple albums, and sung the national anthem at NFL games... more

For nearly 2,000 years, the word "homosexual" did not appear in the Bible. So what changed in 1946?

Kathy Baldock is a leading voice on LGBTQ+ issues within Christianity and the author of "Forging a Sacred Weapon" and "Walking the Bridgeless Canyon.... more

Michael Passons was a founding member of Avalon, one of the biggest Christian music groups of all time. He wrote and performed "Testify to Love," a song that became an icon of Christian music. But when he came out as gay, he was forced out of the ban... more

Mike Maeshiro spent 5 years as an instructor at Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry — teaching, preaching, and living what he thought was his calling. But there was one problem: he was gay.

From age 10, Mike knew he was different. He tried conver... more

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Recent Guests

Leah Rae Yawn
Gospel singer and public figure who discusses her coming out and life with Captain Sandy Yawn
Independent artist / singer
Episode: Gospel Singer Lost Everything When She Came Out as Gay — Now Married to Captain Sandy Yawn
Kathy Baldock
Leading voice on LGBTQ+ issues within Christianity; author and founder of Canyon Walker Connections
Canyon Walker Connections
Episode: PROOF that "Homosexuality" Was Never in The Original Bible: Kathy Baldock Explains The Mistranslation That's Oppressed LGBTQ+ For Centuries
Michael Passons
Founding member of Avalon; reimagining Testify to Love
Avalon (former)
Episode: "Testify to Love" Singer Michael Passons: Kicked Out For Being Gay, Now Topping Christian Charts
Mike Maeshiro
Founder of Numa, former Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry instructor
Numa
Episode: God WANTS Me To Be Gay -- A Former Pastor's Coming Out Story
Brandon Robertson
Reverend, author, pastor, and public theologian at the forefront of the progressive faith movement
Sunnyside Reformed Church (Pastor, NYC); Coral Gables United Church of Christ (Theologian in Residence); author of Queer and Christian
Episode: Being Gay Isn't a Sin — Here's Why the Bible Actually SUPPORTS LGBTQ People
Joe Smith
Pastor, Mezzan Church, Gainesville, Florida; advocate for LGBTQ+ inclusion
Mezzan Church, Gainesville, Florida
Episode: Former Anti-Gay Pastor: 'I Was Wrong About LGBTQ+ People'
Israel Isaac
Singer, event host, TV personality, former megachurch worship leader
Entertainment; Megachurch Worshp Ministry
Episode: America's Got Talent Contestant Comes Out As Gay After Leading Worship in Megachurches for Years
Ciarra Jones
Writer, speaker, and public theologian known as the Gardening Theologian
Harvard Divinity School; Levine Greenberg-Rosten Literary Agency
Episode: This Lesbian Harvard Grad Exposes the Problem With Modern Christianity
Staci Frenes
Singer, songwriter, author, and storyteller who embraces faith and LGBTQ+ identity
Self as artist and author; author of Love Makes Room
Episode: Christian Parents: How to Love Your LGBTQ Child Without Losing Your Faith

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Lauren Lanzaretta
Host of You Can Be Both and creator of space for LGBTQ+ people of faith to heal and belong.

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Being Gay Isn't a Sin — Here's Why the Bible Actually SUPPORTS LGBTQ People
Q: What does a healthy, ethical sexuality look like for LGBTQ Christians according to your view?
He explains a flexible, mindful sexuality framework focused on love for God, neighbor, and self, consent, commitment, and avoiding coercive or exploitative dynamics, rather than a single universal rule.
Being Gay Isn't a Sin — Here's Why the Bible Actually SUPPORTS LGBTQ People
Q: How did your experience at Moody and the conversion-therapy era shape your approach to faith and sexuality?
Brandon recounts his time at Moody, the forced 'conversion therapy' experience, the open church in Chicago that destabilized his views, and how these events catalyzed his move toward a more inclusive theology.
Being Gay Isn't a Sin — Here's Why the Bible Actually SUPPORTS LGBTQ People
Q: When did you know you were gay and decide to pursue pastoring?
The host asks about Brandon's realization of being gay and his calling to be a pastor, and Brandon describes early awareness, supportive church experiences, and a long arc from conservative contexts toward an inclusive ministry.
Former Anti-Gay Pastor: 'I Was Wrong About LGBTQ+ People'
Q: What moment or influence began your shift toward openness and affirming attitudes toward LGBTQ+ people?
A pivotal relationship with Brent, a gay friend, and exposure to his life and faith sparked questions that led to studying resources and embracing open theology.
Former Anti-Gay Pastor: 'I Was Wrong About LGBTQ+ People'
Q: Were you raised Christian then?
He explains a lifelong pull toward spirituality and a sense of church identity, then describes his initial experiences with church life and how early experiences shaped his path toward ministry.

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What is You Can Be Both about and what kind of topics does it cover?

The show centers conversations with LGBTQ+ people of faith, exploring how to embrace queer identities while maintaining spiritual life. Episodes often feature personal coming-out journeys, deconstruction of evangelical culture, and discussions around inclusive theology, with a strong emphasis on healing from religious trauma and building compassionate faith communities. Guests range from pastors and theologians to therapists and advocates, all sharing practical insights for navigating faith, sexuality, and belonging. A notable strength is the commitment to authenticity and inclusive community-building, often weaving in resources and calls to action for listeners seeking support, testimony, or community.

Overall, it's a thoughtful, survivor... more

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2. Kathy Baldock
3. Michael Passons
4. Mike Maeshiro
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6. Joe Smith
7. Israel Isaac
8. Ciarra Jones

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