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What Next: TBD | Tech, power, and the future

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Every Friday and Sunday, Slate’s popular daily news podcast What Next brings you TBD, a clear-eyed look into the future. From fake news to fake meat, algorithms to augmented reality, Lizzie O’Leary is your guide to the tech industry and the world it’s creating for us to live in.

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Does Meta’s $17 billion (give or take) settlement address people’s concerns about social media and its impact on teenagers… or is it already too late?

Guest: Paresh Dave, senior writer for WIRED.

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Through stealing your job or simply tanking the stock market—whichever comes first—the rise of artificial intelligence (companies) is a very futuristic sounding problem. It may have some very old-fashioned sounding solutions however.

Guest: Cory Doc... more

Hundreds of millions of dollars, desperation for insider info, fury and accusations of conspiracy when it doesn’t go your way—is this gambling or elections? Through the magic of prediction markets, it’s both! 

Guest: David Gilbert, reporter at WIRED... more

In a world where everyone is carrying smartphones and setting up Ring cameras, you could be forgiven for thinking the war is over and the surveillance state won. But Flock cameras being denounced in town halls and smashed on the street have become a ... more

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David Gilbert
Reporter at WIRED
WIRED
Episode: Can the Midterms Withstand Prediction Markets?
Joseph Cox
Investigative reporter for 404 Media and author of Darkwire
404 Media
Episode: Are Flock Cameras Watching You?
Ed Elson
Co-host of the Prof G Markets podcast
Prof G Markets
Episode: Artificial Intelligence, Very Real Debt
Ben Casselman
Chief economics correspondent, The New York Times
The New York Times
Episode: Can We Trust the Jobs Report?
Andrea Bernstein
Independent journalist and author
Independent
Episode: Trump’s Only Friend
Nitish Pahwa
Technology journalist discussed data center policy
Brookings? (if mentioned)
Episode: A.I. Vs. Eh, I’m Walkin’ ‘Ere!
Cory Doctorow
Author of The Reverse Centaur's Guide to Life After AI
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Episode: A.I. Enshittifies Everything
Mark Follman
National Affairs Editor at Mother Jones; author of Trigger Points
Mother Jones
Episode: Can ChatGPT Be a Criminal Accomplice?
Randi Weingarten
President of the American Federation of Teachers
American Federation of Teachers
Episode: Gradu-AI-tion Day

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Lizzie O'Leary
Host with focus on tech policy, power, and the future; long-running presence across episodes

Reviews

4.4 out of 5 stars from 358 ratings
  • Just advert after advert

    Tried to bear it but I’m out

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Flash0983
    United Kingdoma year ago
  • Too much ads

    Sick

    Apple Podcasts
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    FuuuuuuckThisGame
    United States2 years ago
  • I love this podcast, but …

    It’s played in What Next? also, so I decided to unsubscribe, so I wouldn’t have the same episode show up on my feed. Lizzie O’Leary is awesome. I used to enjoy hearing her in Marketplace. I’m happy to here her again

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    semipenguin
    United States3 years ago
  • Shallow summaries of tech issues filled with ads

    There is a huge demand for deep dive podcasts into the hot topic tech issues like AI and the Metaverse etc. This podcasts taps exactly into that but fails miserably. After summarizing an issue, which basically takes the entire episode because of all the ads (funded by the same companies they critique i.e. Apple), they end each episode with a “ok so what does this all mean?” segment. Except this segment lasts 30 sec followed by more ads and then the podcast ends.

    So if you are looking for dee... more

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Samd199
    United States3 years ago
  • OMG… now I realize why trump will get re-elected

    Generally enjoy the show, but just listened to

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    bluebill987
    United States3 years ago

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Shows breadth across policy, economics, and platforms.
Ad-supported format can be distracting but content keeps value.
Strong investigative framing around surveillance and regulation.
Insightful takes on tech policy and AI impact.
Guests bring depth; hosts steer with critical questions.

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A.I. Enshittifies Everything (Still)
Q: How does one who objects to this idea of the future actually have any influence or control?
Change comes from practical politics, not just shopping; engage in local organizing, unions, and community action to pressure employers and policymakers, because token deferrals or consumer boycotts alone are insufficient to shift corporate behavior.
A.I. Enshittifies Everything (Still)
Q: But I'm wondering why you think it feels so meaty and urgent in a way that crypto maybe didn't.
The scale of dollar figures and the ubiquity of AI in professional sectors makes the discipline of thinking about AI feel more immediate and urgent; the hype is anchored in real, large financial bets and a social narrative that AI will replace many high-wage jobs, which drives ongoing interest and concern.
Can the Midterms Withstand Prediction Markets?
Q: How do you compare prediction markets to polling in terms of reliability and public belief?
David Gilbert explains that polls rely on methodological transparency while prediction markets depend on financial incentives, which can distort trust when the results diverge from official counts, especially as people fund bets with real money.
Can the Midterms Withstand Prediction Markets?
Q: Tell me about how this is all making Jim Allen's job more difficult for Pennsylvania.
The host asks Jim Allen about the additional complexities prediction markets introduce to administering elections, including managing insider information among poll workers and pushing the need for policy safeguards.
Are Flock Cameras Watching You?
Q: What has been the public and investor reaction to Flock's backlash and product changes?
Backlash has intensified, investor nervousness appears more about brand risk than financials, and Flock has faced a crisis where it publicly reassessed its product safeguards and visibility into how data is accessed.

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The show consistently centers tech policy, AI, data privacy, and the broader impact of technology on society and economy. Episodes often pair rigorous reporting with big-picture asks about how regulators, markets, and platforms shape innovation, labor, and civil liberties. Noteworthy are investigative deep-dives into surveillance, AI hype vs. real-world gains, and high-profile policy debates—often featuring journalist guests, economists, regulators, and industry insiders. The format tends toward sharp, issue-focused conversations that translate complex tech topics into practical implications for listeners who aspect technology's influence on business, policy, and everyday life. A standout trait is the podcast's readiness to challenge tech n... more

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