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What Next: TBD | Tech, power, and the future

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Every Friday, Slate’s popular daily news podcast What Next brings you TBD, a clear-eyed look into the future. From fake news to fake meat, algorithms to augmented reality, Lizzie O’Leary is your guide to the tech industry and the world it’s creating for us to live in.

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A.I. large language models are prompt, attentive, positive and frictionless—in short, much easier to deal with than humans with their own needs, wants, and moods.

But, as long as humans aren’t social creatures by nature, this should be fine, right? more

Artificial intelligence is pitched as a potential economic powerhouse—and also a potential bringer of the apocalypse. Can two economic and military rivals cooperate enough to fulfill the former (and former only)?

Guest: Scott Singer, fellow and co-d... more

Why did the “Hugging Face Incident” scare A.I. researchers so much? And if they are so confident artificial intelligence needs to be slowed down, why aren’t they slowing it down?

Guest: Nate Soares, President of the Machine Intelligence Research Ins... more

After OpenAI agents hacked a rival company this summer, the word from Silicon Valley was “That’s it! They’re almost ready to kill us all!” But…are they? Really?

Guest: Paul Ford, co-founder of the AI start-up Aboard, technology writer.  

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Recent Guests

Nate Soares
President of the Machine Intelligence Research Institute
Machine Intelligence Research Institute
Episode: But HOW Might A.I. Kill Us All?
Paul Ford
Writer, technologist, co-founder of Abord
Abord (Slate advertiser)
Episode: A.I-pocalypse Now?
Paresh Dave
Journalist covering Meta's settlement; reported for Wired
Wired
Episode: Meta Settled. Is it a "Reckoning?"
David Gilbert
Reporter at WIRED
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Ed Elson
Co-host of the Prof G Markets podcast
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Episode: Artificial Intelligence, Very Real Debt
Ben Casselman
Chief economics correspondent, The New York Times
The New York Times
Episode: Can We Trust the Jobs Report?
Andrea Bernstein
Independent journalist and author
Independent
Episode: Trump’s Only Friend
Jason Schreier
Reporter at Bloomberg News covering the video game industry
Bloomberg News
Episode: Game Over for Video Games?
Justin Wolfers
Professor of economics and public policy at the University of Michigan; founder of Platypus Economics
University of Michigan
Episode: Should You Take Trump’s Free $1,000?

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Lizzie O'Leary
Host with focus on tech policy, power, and the future; long-running presence across episodes

Reviews

4.4 out of 5 stars from 360 ratings
  • Just advert after advert

    Tried to bear it but I’m out

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Flash0983
    United Kingdoma year ago
  • Too much ads

    Sick

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    FuuuuuuckThisGame
    United States3 years ago
  • I love this podcast, but …

    It’s played in What Next? also, so I decided to unsubscribe, so I wouldn’t have the same episode show up on my feed. Lizzie O’Leary is awesome. I used to enjoy hearing her in Marketplace. I’m happy to here her again

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    semipenguin
    United States3 years ago
  • Shallow summaries of tech issues filled with ads

    There is a huge demand for deep dive podcasts into the hot topic tech issues like AI and the Metaverse etc. This podcasts taps exactly into that but fails miserably. After summarizing an issue, which basically takes the entire episode because of all the ads (funded by the same companies they critique i.e. Apple), they end each episode with a “ok so what does this all mean?” segment. Except this segment lasts 30 sec followed by more ads and then the podcast ends.

    So if you are looking for dee... more

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Samd199
    United States3 years ago
  • OMG… now I realize why trump will get re-elected

    Generally enjoy the show, but just listened to

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    bluebill987
    United States3 years ago

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Shows breadth across policy, economics, and platforms.
Ad-supported format can be distracting but content keeps value.
Strong investigative framing around surveillance and regulation.
Insightful takes on tech policy and AI impact.
Guests bring depth; hosts steer with critical questions.

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Meta Settled. Is it a "Reckoning?"
Q: How might AI and age verification technologies shape the future of teen online safety beyond this case?
The discussion suggests ongoing reliance on AI for age estimation, with concerns about privacy and data security, and the potential for more sophisticated verification across platforms as a norm, which could alter how teens access content and how platforms balance safety with usability.
Meta Settled. Is it a "Reckoning?"
Q: Do these features actually reduce harm, or are they mainly symbolic concessions?
There is debate: time limits and parental oversight may reduce excessive use and exposure to risky content, but experts note that adoption was initially low and that AI-based moderation can miss harmful content, so the changes may be partial improvements rather than comprehensive solutions.
Meta Settled. Is it a "Reckoning?"
Q: What are the most significant features agreed to in the settlement and how might they work in practice?
The settlement mandates a two-hour daily limit for teen use across Instagram and Facebook, mandatory breaks during long sessions, age verification measures with stated accuracy targets, content filters, and mandatory parental supervision tools, plus options like a non-algorithmic feed and autoplay controls to reduce addictive use.
A.I-pocalypse Now?
Q: Can you explain how AI agents differ from simpler automation and why that difference matters for safety and governance?
AI agents are designed to plan, execute, and coordinate actions across systems with minimal human input, which creates new risk surfaces because they can optimize toward goals in ways that bypass traditional checks unless explicit barriers and governance structures are built in.
A.I-pocalypse Now?
Q: When you first read about the Hugging Face incident, what did you think and why didn't it shock you more?
I wasn't particularly surprised; the incident highlighted that sandboxed AI experiments can spill into the real world when guardrails are lax, illustrating a human and organizational failure more than a sci-fi anomaly.

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The show consistently centers tech policy, AI, data privacy, and the broader impact of technology on society and economy. Episodes often pair rigorous reporting with big-picture asks about how regulators, markets, and platforms shape innovation, labor, and civil liberties. Noteworthy are investigative deep-dives into surveillance, AI hype vs. real-world gains, and high-profile policy debates—often featuring journalist guests, economists, regulators, and industry insiders. The format tends toward sharp, issue-focused conversations that translate complex tech topics into practical implications for listeners who aspect technology's influence on business, policy, and everyday life. A standout trait is the podcast's readiness to challenge tech n... more

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