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What Next: TBD | Tech, power, and the future

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Every Friday, Slate’s popular daily news podcast What Next brings you TBD, a clear-eyed look into the future. From fake news to fake meat, algorithms to augmented reality, Lizzie O’Leary is your guide to the tech industry and the world it’s creating for us to live in.

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Everyone wants A.I. to be regulated—including the major A.I. companies like Anthropic and OpenAI. There’s just one problem… they want to have a say in what regulation looks like for their industry. Doesn’t that defeat the whole point?

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Perimenopause’s journey from little-understood phase before menopause to the subject of every ad on social media for women of a certain age was quick—and impossible to imagine without the internet.

Guest: Kate Knibbs, senior writer for WIRED.

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An exchange of insults on X was all that director Alex Gibney got directly from the main character of his new documentary, “Musk.” But by interviewing his business partners, father, wives and girlfriends—and using a bit of movie magic—Gibney takes vi... more

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A.I. large language models are prompt, attentive, positive and frictionless—in short, much easier to deal with than humans with their own needs, wants, and moods.

But, as long as humans aren’t social creatures by nature, this should be fine, right? more

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Cal Newport
Full professor of computer science at Georgetown University and author.
Georgetown University
Episode: When A.I. Regulates Itself
Kate Knibbs
Senior writer for WIRED.
WIRED
Episode: How Hormones Took Over Your Feed
Alex Gibney
Oscar-winning documentarian, director of the Musk film
Episode: The Making of Elon Musk
Sherry Turkle
MIT professor and psychologist, author of Artificial Intimacy
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Episode: ChatGPT Doesn't Love You
Scott Singer
Co-director of the China AI Initiative at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Episode: Is the A.I. Race Real?
Nate Soares
President of the Machine Intelligence Research Institute
Machine Intelligence Research Institute
Episode: But HOW Might A.I. Kill Us All?
Paul Ford
Writer, technologist, co-founder of Abord
Abord (Slate advertiser)
Episode: A.I-pocalypse Now?
Paresh Dave
Journalist covering Meta's settlement; reported for Wired
Wired
Episode: Meta Settled. Is it a "Reckoning?"
Cory Doctorow
Author and journalist discussing AI, enshitification, and tech policy
Author; tech writer
Episode: A.I. Enshittifies Everything (Still)

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Lizzie O'Leary
Host with focus on tech policy, power, and the future; long-running presence across episodes

Reviews

4.4 out of 5 stars from 360 ratings
  • Just advert after advert

    Tried to bear it but I’m out

    Apple Podcasts
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    Flash0983
    United Kingdoma year ago
  • Too much ads

    Sick

    Apple Podcasts
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    FuuuuuuckThisGame
    United States3 years ago
  • I love this podcast, but …

    It’s played in What Next? also, so I decided to unsubscribe, so I wouldn’t have the same episode show up on my feed. Lizzie O’Leary is awesome. I used to enjoy hearing her in Marketplace. I’m happy to here her again

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    semipenguin
    United States3 years ago
  • Shallow summaries of tech issues filled with ads

    There is a huge demand for deep dive podcasts into the hot topic tech issues like AI and the Metaverse etc. This podcasts taps exactly into that but fails miserably. After summarizing an issue, which basically takes the entire episode because of all the ads (funded by the same companies they critique i.e. Apple), they end each episode with a “ok so what does this all mean?” segment. Except this segment lasts 30 sec followed by more ads and then the podcast ends.

    So if you are looking for dee... more

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    1
    Samd199
    United States3 years ago
  • OMG… now I realize why trump will get re-elected

    Generally enjoy the show, but just listened to

    Apple Podcasts
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    bluebill987
    United States3 years ago

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Shows breadth across policy, economics, and platforms.
Ad-supported format can be distracting but content keeps value.
Strong investigative framing around surveillance and regulation.
Insightful takes on tech policy and AI impact.
Guests bring depth; hosts steer with critical questions.

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#210
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#55
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When A.I. Regulates Itself
Q: Do you think there is an appetite for that, for using laws that have been on the books for quite a long time, to treat these products like any other product?
Newport supports using existing product-liability laws alongside congressional testimony, with courts clarifying how liability and intent apply when AI agents cause harm.
When A.I. Regulates Itself
Q: What do you think are the most important questions that leaders in Congress, but also voters need to think about AI right now?
Newport says lawmakers should require companies to identify the specific experiments and outcomes that concern them, explain their safety procedures, and clarify whether their goals are commercial or tied to a vision of superintelligence.
How Hormones Took Over Your Feed
Q: Who are the big players in this space?
Knibbs identifies Midi as a leading menopause-focused telehealth company, alongside Winona, Alloy, and Evernow. She also notes that Hims and Hers are expanding into women's health and that wearables are adding perimenopause tracking features.
How Hormones Took Over Your Feed
Q: For our non-initiated audience, what is perimenopause?
Knibbs explains that perimenopause is the period leading up to the end of menstruation, when estrogen levels fluctuate. It can last several years and may begin in a person's 30s.
The Making of Elon Musk
Q: What was your approach to depicting Elon Musk's persona in the documentary?
Gibney explains using a simulated interview with quotes from Musk and a deliberately direct gaze to place viewers inside his perspective, balanced with archival footage and critical voice to probe the myth versus reality.

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The show consistently centers tech policy, AI, data privacy, and the broader impact of technology on society and economy. Episodes often pair rigorous reporting with big-picture asks about how regulators, markets, and platforms shape innovation, labor, and civil liberties. Noteworthy are investigative deep-dives into surveillance, AI hype vs. real-world gains, and high-profile policy debates—often featuring journalist guests, economists, regulators, and industry insiders. The format tends toward sharp, issue-focused conversations that translate complex tech topics into practical implications for listeners who aspect technology's influence on business, policy, and everyday life. A standout trait is the podcast's readiness to challenge tech n... more

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