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Every Friday and Sunday, Slate’s popular daily news podcast What Next brings you TBD, a clear-eyed look into the future. From fake news to fake meat, algorithms to augmented reality, Lizzie O’Leary is your guide to the tech industry and the world it’s creating for us to live in.

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This week’s AWS outage illustrates just how fragile and vulnerable our interconnected world really is—and how far we’ve fallen from the vision of a decentralized internet.

Guest: Samanth Subramanian, author of “The Web Beneath the Waves: The Fragile... more

Paying a fraction of a penny per stream and diminishing the value of music were bad enough for Xiu Xiu, but when Spotify owner Daniel Ek announced an investment in a German defense contractor, they decided it was time to take the music back.

Guest: ... more

As Trump throws out journalists and outlets that report anything negative about him, he’s limiting access to a group of right-wing influencers who work to further his agenda.

Guest: Makena Kelly, tech and politics writer for WIRED.

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At this very moment, police departments can gather more data than they have time to actually go through — audio and video from crime scenes, cell phone and search data, vast digital dragnets. This is where artificial intelligence comes in…as well as ... more

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Jamie Stewart
Frontman of the band Xiu Xiu
Xiu Xiu
Episode: Why Bands Are Leaving Spotify
Daryl Lowe
Chief of Police at Redmond Police Department with nearly 30 years of experience in law enforcement
Redmond Police Department
Episode: A.I. for Cops
Gerrit De Vynck
Reporter for The Washington Post, focusing on law enforcement and technology
The Washington Post
Episode: A.I. for Cops
Jason Schreier
Bloomberg reporter covering the video game industry
Bloomberg
Episode: Saudi Arabia Gets into EA’s Games
Dana Hull
Senior reporter at Bloomberg, covering Tesla and Elon Musk
Bloomberg
Episode: Trapped in a Tesla
Danielle Abril
Reporter for The Washington Post who covers the labor market and explores the effects of AI on job seeking.
The Washington Post
Episode: Is A.I. Taking Your Job?
Ryan Broderick
Runs the newsletter Garbage Day and is the host of the podcast Panic World
Episode: A Very Online Shooter
Laura Reiley
Writer for the Cornell Chronicle and mother of Sophie
Cornell Chronicle
Episode: Her Daughter Killed Herself. Then She Saw the ChatGPT logs.
Ryan Felton
Reporter covering the auto industry
Wall Street Journal
Episode: End of an Electric Avenue

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Lizzie O'Leary
Host of a daily news podcast focused on technology's role in modern society, providing insights and analysis on various topics including public health and artificial intelligence.

Reviews

4.4 out of 5 stars from 348 ratings
  • Just advert after advert

    Tried to bear it but I’m out

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Flash0983
    United Kingdom3 months ago
  • Too much ads

    Sick

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    FuuuuuuckThisGame
    United States2 years ago
  • I love this podcast, but …

    It’s played in What Next? also, so I decided to unsubscribe, so I wouldn’t have the same episode show up on my feed. Lizzie O’Leary is awesome. I used to enjoy hearing her in Marketplace. I’m happy to here her again

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    semipenguin
    United States2 years ago
  • Shallow summaries of tech issues filled with ads

    There is a huge demand for deep dive podcasts into the hot topic tech issues like AI and the Metaverse etc. This podcasts taps exactly into that but fails miserably. After summarizing an issue, which basically takes the entire episode because of all the ads (funded by the same companies they critique i.e. Apple), they end each episode with a “ok so what does this all mean?” segment. Except this segment lasts 30 sec followed by more ads and then the podcast ends.

    So if you are looking for dee... more

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Samd199
    United States2 years ago
  • OMG… now I realize why trump will get re-elected

    Generally enjoy the show, but just listened to

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    bluebill987
    United States2 years ago

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Listeners appreciate the insightful analysis and thought-provoking discussions but express concerns about ad saturation and occasional surface-level content.
Many praise the host's ability to engage with experts and extract meaningful insights, highlighting the show's significance for tech enthusiasts and concerned citizens alike.
Critiques often pertain to the perceived bias of the content and frustrations with audio quality or guest articulation.

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#190
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#186
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#228
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Inside the MAGA Content Mill
Q: Is it working? Is it changing public opinion?
It's unclear if public opinion is changing, but these actions seem to be aimed at sustaining support until the next elections.
Inside the MAGA Content Mill
Q: How did these people become so close with the Trump administration to begin with?
They grew up in the same right-wing bubble community and are all online, developing connections and reposting each other's content.
Why Bands Are Leaving Spotify
Q: What would you say to other bands who are, you know, deliberating internally right now about whether or not they should be doing something like what you're doing?
Stewart suggests that each band must make an individual choice and acknowledges the complexity of decisions based on label agreements.
Why Bands Are Leaving Spotify
Q: Could you talk me through your decision to pull your music off of Spotify?
Stewart outlines their long-standing concerns about Spotify's user experience and financial practices, culminating in their decision due to its involvement in military technology.
Why Bands Are Leaving Spotify
Q: How's the music business changed in that period of time?
Stewart discusses the significant changes, particularly the conflict between musicians and tech companies over the value of music.

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Focusing on the intersection of technology and its implications for society, this podcast frequently tackles various pressing issues such as mental health in the digital age, the mechanics of scams, and the evolving landscape of public health. Each episode features experts and industry insiders who provide insights into subjects like artificial intelligence, electric vehicles, and the influence of social media. The thorough exploration of these topics, often supported by personal narratives or experiences, makes this podcast unique as it not only discusses current events in technology but also critically examines the societal impacts of these developments. Its blend of expert commentary and relatable storytelling positions it as a significa... more

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