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Two Sides of the Spectrum

Meg Ferrell
Autism
Neurodiversity
Occupational Therapy
Pediatric Feeding Practices
Get Permission Approach
Mental Health
Augmentative and Alternative Communication
Speech-Language Pathology
Autistic Neurotype
Disability Justice
Disability Rights
Strength-Based Approaches
Education System In Ireland
Trauma-Informed Care
Empowering Neurodivergent Occupational Participation and Well-Being Model
Cultural Model Of Disability
Cultural Responsiveness
Equity In Education
Assistive Technology
Continuing Education

A place where we explore research, amplify autistic voices, and change the way we think about autism in life and in professional therapy practice. Visit learnplaythrive.com/podcast/

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Latest Episodes

"Because therapy should feel like a collaboration and becoming, not a rehearsal and being less yourself in order to survive." - Chenai Mupotsa-Russell

In this short episode, you get a sneak peek into the audio from one of our most poetic and transfo... more

Dr. Devon Price’s work sits at the intersection of trauma-informed care and Autistic unmasking. In this interview, he walks us through five core practices for unmasking, and shares how to approach them thoughtfully with Autistic clients who have expe... more

Learning from Chenai Mupotsa-Russell will absolutely transform you. Chenai doesn't just teach us how we can use art of every kind to support well-being for our clients, she also embodies everything she teaches — art, liberation, anti-colonial practic... more

Ableism is ingrained into our society, and many of us wonder what we can do about it. Occupational therapist Sara Zielinski decided that a huge celebration - centering disability pride - in her small town would be a great place to start. What happene... more

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Recent Guests

Chenai Mupotsa-Russell
Speaker at the 2026 Continuing Education Summit
Episode: Therapy as a Collaboration and Becoming
Dr. Devon Price
Social psychologist and author of 'Unmasking for Life'
Loyola University Chicago
Episode: Five Core Skills to Help Your Autistic Clients to Unmask for Life with Dr. Devon Price
Sara Zielinski
Director of Occupational Therapy Services at a pediatric clinic, advocate for disability rights
HLC Therapy Group
Episode: How to Organize a Disability Pride Event in Your Town with Sara Zielinski
Dr. Jacquelyn Fede
Autistic Advocate and Developmental Psychologist
Autism Level Up
Episode: Supporting Regulation: A Leveled-Up Approach with Dr. Jacquelyn Fede and Dr. Amy Laurent
Dr. Amy Laurent
Developmental Psychologist, Registered Pediatric Occupational Therapist, and co-author of the CERTS model
Autism Level Up
Episode: Supporting Regulation: A Leveled-Up Approach with Dr. Jacquelyn Fede and Dr. Amy Laurent
Joyner Emerick
A dedicated advocate and community organizer; elected as Minneapolis' first openly autistic school board director in 2022
Minneapolis Public Schools
Episode: Reclaiming Disabled Kids' Futures: A Planning & Visioning Process for Every Provider with Joyner Emerick
Sorcha Rice
Autistic PDAer and occupational therapist
Episode: How to Support Autonomy in Regulation and Reduce Burnout for Autistic PDAers with Sorcha Rice
Mick Olds
Occupational Therapist and advocate for child-led therapy
Episode: Practices that Deeply Respect Children with Mick Olds
Britton Payne
Entertainment attorney and advocate for autism inclusion in media.
The Autism Scene
Episode: Your New Favorite Authentically Autistic Characters in Kids' Pop Culture - BONUS EPISODE with Britton Payne

Host

Meg Farrell
Host of Two Sides of the Spectrum; Learn Play Thrive

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 452 ratings
  • Moving us all forward

    This podcast got me through my first years as a clinician and continues to help me become the practitioner that I want to be. I’ve taken something useable from every episode I’ve listened to. And, I was moved to write a review after listening to the episodes featuring Dr. Gillian Boudreau. I loved every word. I appreciated the offering that working toward our own liberation and freedom as clinicians will help us as we join clients on their journey to be their authentic selves. But, it seemed lik... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ResonantSpeech
    United States5 months ago
  • I'm not directly a practitioner working with autistic clients (such as ot or slp). However, as a swim instructor who works with lots of autistic kiddos, and as a mom of an autistic kiddo, i love hearing ways we can be affirming in helping kids thrive in many areas of life!

    Podcast Addict
    5
    VileT
    2 years ago
  • Thank you!

    You are amazing ❤️

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Divergent Minds
    United Kingdom2 years ago
  • Excellent resource for understanding autism from a neurodiversity affirming perspective

    This is a regular inclusion on my list of psychoeducational resources I provide in my neurodiversity affirming evaluations I complete with children. I love the introduction of a variety of topics and how it helps direct me to other resources I can also direct families to.

    María Pitale, PsyD

    Licensed psychologist specializing in autism evaluations

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    María Pitale, PsyD
    United States2 years ago
  • 5-Star Review - Dr. Tay

    As a licensed psychologist that works with autistic children and their families, I love the message of this podcast is to amplify autistic voices. It brings up great topics of discussion including the language we use and strategies to support autisitc kiddos.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    doctorTND
    United States3 years ago

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The show is described as a valuable, accessible resource for clinicians, educators, and parents seeking inclusive approaches.
Some criticism exists around perceived debates on ABA, with listeners preferring neurodiversity-centered methods.
High praise for elevating autistic voices and applying neurodiversity-affirming practices to real-world therapy.
Listeners appreciate practical, actionable insights and the focus on dignity and autonomy in autistic individuals.

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Five Core Skills to Help Your Autistic Clients to Unmask for Life with Dr. Devon Price
Q: Can you introduce us to the first skill, which is acceptance of change, loss, and uncertainty?
Acceptance of change is about recognizing that autistic individuals often struggle with unfamiliar situations due to their different processing style and learning to gradually embrace change.
Five Core Skills to Help Your Autistic Clients to Unmask for Life with Dr. Devon Price
Q: Can you talk about trauma and how it shows up for many autistic people?
Cumulatively, being pushed into a physically uncomfortable environment and being in fight or flight mode every day can lead to major trauma responses for autistic people.
Five Core Skills to Help Your Autistic Clients to Unmask for Life with Dr. Devon Price
Q: Can you explain what masking means and some of the ways it can be harmful?
Masking is taking steps to either hide or compensate for the fact that you have a disability to make up for the fact that the world is not accommodating you and not accepting to you.
Showing Up in the Therapy Room With Our Whole Humanity: Art, Attunement, and Radical Care with Chenai Mupotsa Russell
Q: Can you share an example of an art-based prompt that a provider could use?
Chenai emphasizes the importance of tailoring prompts to the interests of the clients and highlights creativity through digital platforms like Minecraft.
Showing Up in the Therapy Room With Our Whole Humanity: Art, Attunement, and Radical Care with Chenai Mupotsa Russell
Q: Can you talk a little bit more about the role that art can play in our sessions and in our clients' lives?
Art provides a non-cognitive way for individuals to express feelings and experiences that may be hard to articulate using words.

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What is Two Sides of the Spectrum about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show concentrates on neurodiversity-affirming approaches to autism, with frequent deep dives into therapeutic practice, trauma, and advocacy. Across episodes, listeners encounter practical strategies for clinicians and caregivers, stories from autistic and neurodivergent voices, and discussions about inclusive education, representation, and community support. A standout trait is the emphasis on client autonomy, cultural safety, and trauma-informed care, often centering autistic perspectives and challenging traditional norms in therapy and schooling. The mix of clinical experts, autistic advocates, and educators makes it a valuable resource for professionals seeking evidence-informed, human-centered practices and for families seeking em... more

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1. Chenai Mupotsa-Russell
2. Dr. Devon Price
3. Sara Zielinski
4. Dr. Jacquelyn Fede
5. Dr. Amy Laurent
6. Joyner Emerick
7. Sorcha Rice
8. Mick Olds

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