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Trust Me: Cults, Extreme Belief, and Manipulation

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Cults
Mental Health
Manipulation
Scientology
FLDS
Christianity
High-Control Groups
2x2s
John Of God
Cultural Revolution
Spirituality
Mormonism
Warren Jeffs
Mao Zedong
Domestic Violence
Psychosis
Sexual Abuse
Polygamy
Red Guards
Financial Exploitation

Trust Me is a weekly interview podcast about cults, extreme belief, and the fine line between devotion and delusion—told through firsthand accounts from the people who lived it. Hosted by two women who’ve been in cults themselves, Lola Blanc and Meagan Elizabeth, the show features survivors from groups like Heaven’s Gate, the Manson Family, NXIVM, OneTaste and more–sharing personal stories of how ... more

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This week is part two with Makelle Bistline, one of polygamist cult leader Sam Bateman’s former wives who helped take him down from the inside. She returns to share how she finally relented and became Bateman’s 22nd wife after he wore down her resist... more

This week’s guest is Makelle Bistline, who grew up in the polygamist sect the FLDS and became one of the wives of self-proclaimed prophet Samuel Bateman–ultimately playing a crucial role in bringing him down. Makelle did not appear in the Netflix ser... more

This week, the girls are joined again by Felicia Rosario, survivor of the cult at Sarah Lawrence, led by a man named Larry Ray. Today Felicia, who previously came on the show along with fellow survivor Daniel Levin, explains how Larry drew her in ove... more

This week, author and historian Stephen Kinzer joins Trust Me to discuss his book, Poisoner in Chief, and its subject: chemist Sidney Gottlieb, who led mind control experiments in the CIA’s Project MKUltra. Stephen explains who Gottlieb was and how h... more

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Recent Guests

Makelle Bistline
Former wife of polygamist cult leader Sam Bateman who helped authorities investigate him
Episode: Makelle Bistline, Part 2 - Becoming Sam Bateman’s Wife, Keeping Secrets from a “Prophet,” and Helping the FBI Take Him Down
Felicia Rosario
Psychiatrist, cult survivor, expert witness and litigation consultant
Felicia Rosario Consulting
Episode: Felicia Rosario - Larry Ray’s Coercive Tactics, Life After the Sarah Lawrence Cult, and Becoming an Expert Witness
Stephen Kinzer
Author and historian
Author of Poisoner in Chief
Episode: Stephen Kinzer - MKUltra, Sidney Gottlieb, and the CIA’s Hunt For Mind Control
Renee Spencer
Parent who sued the Jesus Christians over her daughter's involvement
Private individual / advocate for coercive control issues
Episode: Renee Spencer, Part 2 - The Jesus Christians, the “Kidney Cult,” and Suing Your Daughter’s Religious Group
Larena Wynn
Twin sister, formerly Mormon, now dominatrix
Mothermary (band)
Episode: Larena & Elyse Wynn, Part 2 - Leaving Mormonism, Becoming Dominatrixes, and Reclaiming Power with BDSM
Elyse Wynn
Twin sister, formerly Mormon, now dominatrix
Mothermary (band)
Episode: Larena & Elyse Wynn, Part 2 - Leaving Mormonism, Becoming Dominatrixes, and Reclaiming Power with BDSM
John Hunter
Psychology researcher and lecturer
University/academic research on LGATs and bipolar disorder
Episode: John Hunter - Manufacturing Mania in Self-Help Seminars
Laci Mosley
Comedian, actress, host of Scam Goddess, author of Scam Goddess
Scam Goddess (podcast/TV/book)
Episode: Laci Mosley – Scams vs. Cults, and the Many Forms of Fraud
Michele McPhee
Investigative journalist and host of Kingdom of Fraud
Kingdom of Fraud / Michele McPhee
Episode: Michele McPhee – The Polygamist, the Criminal, and Their Multibillion-Dollar Scam

Hosts

Lola Blanc
Host with lived experience in cult dynamics; longtime interviewer and survivor lens on manipulation, accountability, and healing.
Meagan Elizabeth
Co-host with survivor perspective; known for empathetic, rigorous explorations of high-control groups and culture.

Reviews

4.6 out of 5 stars from 4.8k ratings
  • Megan is the best

    Megan should break free and have her own podcast- she relates to guests very well - I wish Lola was not so fake. Her mom is the main reason why …..

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ylimeylimeylime636
    United Statesa month ago
  • My favorite podcast!

    Love this show. I went to school for religious studies and cultural anthropology and new religious movements have been an interest of mine for years.

    I hope they get around to exploring such groups as the Gush Emunim in Israel, the Ahmadiyya sect and perhaps expanding the focus to include the culty aspects of the mainstream religions.

    Regardless, I have listened to every episode and eagerly await the release of each new one with bated breath.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Kenchi77
    United Statesa month ago
  • Most untrustworthy!

    What you said about chiropractic was disturbing in how incorrect it was. Chiropractors are doctors and not pseudoscientists! They will go to school much longer than a physical therapist or a therapist (though both of those careers also require education and expertise!). They are experts in anatomy and physiology and correct physical problems and pain management. Your show’s presentation of this made you sound incredibly uninformed, uneducated, and lose credibility to the point that I personall... more

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    nickibondi
    United Statesa month ago
  • Really?

    Disappointed the hosts did not condemn the dangerous pseudoscience that is chiropractic “medicine”. The overlap between it and the anti-vax movement seems like cult behavior that the show should have done some research on.

    Apple Podcasts
    4
    vic8863
    United States2 months ago
  • Absolutely obsessed

    I haven’t been able to stop listening to this podcast. Love the hosts and their banter

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    BbyTigr
    United States2 months ago

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Listeners appreciate deep research and practical takeaways for safety and healing.
Empathetic hosts who handle victims with care and offer rigorous analysis.
Balanced, compassionate approach that avoids sensationalism while exploring difficult topics.
High regard for hosts' personal experiences informing discussions.
Strong guest lineup and insightful questions, though some listeners feel branding shifts can affect tone.

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Makelle Bistline, Part 2 - Becoming Sam Bateman’s Wife, Keeping Secrets from a “Prophet,” and Helping the FBI Take Him Down
Q: Why didn't you participate in the documentary?
Makelle feared losing relationships with relatives and friends who were arrested and whom she regarded as victims. She also felt ashamed of the role she played in their pain and worried others would judge her for having been involved.
Makelle Bistline, Part 2 - Becoming Sam Bateman’s Wife, Keeping Secrets from a “Prophet,” and Helping the FBI Take Him Down
Q: What was the first thing that made you feel there was irrefutable evidence he was having sex with minors or engaging in sex crimes?
Makelle says she saw Bateman passionately kissing three minors on the same night, then describes finding him naked in a tent hot tub with wives and seeing the situation as alarming.
Felicia Rosario - Larry Ray’s Coercive Tactics, Life After the Sarah Lawrence Cult, and Becoming an Expert Witness
Q: In a courtroom, how would you prove that someone was behaving under the influence of coercive control?
Rosario says to examine behavioral evidence such as texts, emails, voicemails, video and writing, alongside accounts from people around the person and the broader history of threats, abuse and control.
Felicia Rosario - Larry Ray’s Coercive Tactics, Life After the Sarah Lawrence Cult, and Becoming an Expert Witness
Q: What were some of the qualities Larry Ray had that made him able to manipulate people, and what was the draw to him?
Rosario describes Ray as charismatic, intelligent, well-spoken and genuinely connected to influential people. His daughter and Rosario's brother also helped build trust, and the apparent improvements in the students' lives made his methods seem convincing.
Makelle Bistline, Part 1 - The FLDS, Marrying Sam Bateman, and Resisting Control Through Taylor Swift
Q: So how did this happen from your perspective? How did he go from being this random, lowly loser dude to like, I'm a prophet?
Bistline believes Bateman saw an opportunity while Warren Jeffs was inaccessible, claiming a secret connection to him and exploiting the community's reluctance to question sacred authority.

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1. Makelle Bistline
2. Felicia Rosario
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4. Renee Spencer
5. Larena Wynn
6. Elyse Wynn
7. John Hunter
8. Laci Mosley

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