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To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll

Rubrik | Nicole Perlroth | Pod People
China
Cybersecurity
Intellectual Property Theft
Chinese Communist Party
Google
Cyber Espionage
United States
Huawei
Mandiant
Critical Infrastructure
Uighurs
Tibet
Dalai Lama
Solar World
North Korea
Volt Typhoon
Zero-Day Exploits
Chinese Cyberattacks
The Five Poisons
BYD

American companies are being infiltrated—not by hackers breaking in, but by workers. Thousands of North Korean operatives are applying to jobs across the U.S.—and getting them. They are embedding themselves at Fortune 500 companies. Government agencies. Critical infrastructure. Even the firms tasked with stopping this threat. To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll is a first-of-its-kind audi... more

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Infiltrating the infiltrators. For the first time ever, host and former lead cybersecurity and digital espionage reporter for The New York Times Nicole Perlroth partners with a team of private investigators as they infiltrate a North Korean worker ce... more

A new breed of worker is quietly clocking in across the United States. They’re writing code. Managing your passwords. Training the next generation of AI models. They’re gaining trust. And access.

On paper, they’re the dream hire. Skilled. Low mainte... more

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To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll is a gripping investigative podcast exposing how thousands of North Korean operatives are quietly getting hired inside American companies, funneling millions back to the regime and its nuclear weapons prog... more

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Nicole Perlroth sits down with Nicholas Carlini for an Out of Band conversation on the imminent zero-day surge. Carlini explains what Mythos can already do: find and exploit flaws in some of the world’s most hardened, widely deployed software—with mi... more

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Nicole Perlroth
Host of To Catch a Thief and bestselling author, she previously served as the lead cybersecurity and digital espionage reporter for The New York Times, specializing in cyber threats and the rising power of China in cyberspace.

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4.8 out of 5 stars from 538 ratings
  • I will get to sleep in my next life.

    I have not had a good night sleep since I read Nicole’s book & now I am listening

    to her podcasts and staying up to do zero day deep dives with Claude.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    LuckyLeopold
    United Statesa month ago
  • Important info, Easy to understand

    Despite having worked in cybersecurity awareness and education for years, I’m learning as much here as I did from Nicole’s book. Great podcast!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    JanetR12
    United States3 months ago
  • Brilliant

    Fascinating and beautifully done. Only one ep 2 but can’t wait to binge. This is just too good.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    HMCPhoebe
    United States7 months ago
  • So scary but must listen

    We need to all be aware. Compelling to listen to and east to understand

    Audible
    5
    3Zs
    United States8 months ago
  • We need to all be aware. Compelling to listen to and east to understand

    Audible
    5
    3Zs
    United States8 months ago

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BONUS: Live Panel with Top China & Cyber Experts at The New York Stock Exchange
Q: What are the implications of the Chinese cyber threat on U.S. critical infrastructure?
The threat has evolved from data theft to potential attacks on critical infrastructure, aiming for mass disruption in the event of a conflict, such as over Taiwan.
BONUS: Live Panel with Top China & Cyber Experts at The New York Stock Exchange
Q: How do you walk the tight rope between covering Chinese cyber threats and not promoting xenophobia?
As a journalist, it's essential to focus on the Communist Party's actions while being aware of the stigmas that may arise against the larger Chinese populace; distinction is crucial.

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Exploring the dire implications of Chinese cyberattacks, this show provides a deep dive into the evolution of state-sponsored hackers and their growing threat to American infrastructure and companies. With engaging storytelling from a seasoned host, it highlights the serious challenges facing the U.S. in a cyber battleground where sophisticated espionage and surveillance tactics can lead to significant consequences for national security and corporate integrity. The podcast combines expert insights, victim testimonies, and historical context to present a thorough examination of how cyber threats are reshaping the landscape of modern warfare and technology.

Featuring compelling narratives and interviews with a range of experts and victims, t... more

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