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To Catch a Thief: China’s Rise to Cyber Supremacy

Rubrik | Nicole Perlroth | Pod People
China
Cybersecurity
Intellectual Property Theft
Chinese Communist Party
Google
Cyber Espionage
Huawei
United States
Mandiant
Critical Infrastructure
Dalai Lama
Uighurs
Tibet
Solar World
Volt Typhoon
Chinese Cyberattacks
The Five Poisons
BYD
Tiktok
Xi Jinping

American companies, whole towns, have been eviscerated by Chinese cyberattacks. But their stories remain untold, even as the stakes get higher and the targets more reckless. To Catch a Thief is a first-of-its-kind, documentary look at China’s rise to cyber supremacy. This podcast charts the evolution of China’s state-sponsored hackers, from their beginnings as “the most polite, mediocre hackers in... more

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John Carlin
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Dimitri Alperovic
Co-founder of CrowdStrike, cybersecurity expert
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Kevin Mandia
Former CEO of Mandiant, cybersecurity expert
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Paul Moser
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David Barboza
Former New York Times correspondent who investigated the secret wealth of Chinese leaders.
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Nicole Perlroth
Host of To Catch a Thief and bestselling author, she previously served as the lead cybersecurity and digital espionage reporter for The New York Times, specializing in cyber threats and the rising power of China in cyberspace.

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4.8 out of 5 stars from 459 ratings
  • Must Listen

    This is a story of threats to U.S. National Security that needs to be heard and taken seriously. Don’t be scared off or intimidated if it sounds geeky or too technical for your understanding. Nicole Perlroth is a gifted story teller who has taken a potentially complicated topic and framed it into a sitting-on-the-edge-of-your-seat drama that’s compelling no matter how much you think you know. In today’s world where western society has found ways to make anything and everything a partisan issue,... more

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    5
    BearLdr
    United States4 months ago
  • 🔥 To Catch a Thief: A Cyber Reality Check from Inside the Collapse

    This podcast should terrify people and not just because it reveals how easily U.S. pipelines, grids, and institutions can be shut down, but because no one in power wants to stop it.

    CISA’s has been gutted. TikTok bans are political theater. Jeff Bezos cuts million-dollar checks to the grifter-in-chief, while Amazon sells Chinese-made routers that quietly dismantle the U.S. economy, one backdoor at a time. Xi doesn’t need a military. He already has access through your smart fridge, your Ring cam... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Cate144
    United States4 months ago
  • Must listen. Pay attention.

    Nicole shared the (painful) truth of our lack of cyber security in this amazing well documented podcast. You won’t like what she has to say but you MUST know the truth S to our deeply rooted the Chinese government is in your business. And probably your home router too! Take the time to listen. You won’t be sorry. And pray to God that the USA can stave off the possible attacks.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    47071911
    United States4 months ago
  • Amazing

    I read Nicole’s book, but the insanity of what is happening along with Nicole’s storytelling makes this one of my favorite pods! Must listen !!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    alps420
    United States4 months ago
  • Real investigative journalism

    Excellent podcast. Very informative. Scary stuff but so good to know. Appreciate the gentle approach to political issues

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    Rowdy 2024
    United States4 months ago

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BONUS: Live Panel with Top China & Cyber Experts at The New York Stock Exchange
Q: What are the implications of the Chinese cyber threat on U.S. critical infrastructure?
The threat has evolved from data theft to potential attacks on critical infrastructure, aiming for mass disruption in the event of a conflict, such as over Taiwan.
BONUS: Live Panel with Top China & Cyber Experts at The New York Stock Exchange
Q: How do you walk the tight rope between covering Chinese cyber threats and not promoting xenophobia?
As a journalist, it's essential to focus on the Communist Party's actions while being aware of the stigmas that may arise against the larger Chinese populace; distinction is crucial.

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Exploring the dire implications of Chinese cyberattacks, this show provides a deep dive into the evolution of state-sponsored hackers and their growing threat to American infrastructure and companies. With engaging storytelling from a seasoned host, it highlights the serious challenges facing the U.S. in a cyber battleground where sophisticated espionage and surveillance tactics can lead to significant consequences for national security and corporate integrity. The podcast combines expert insights, victim testimonies, and historical context to present a thorough examination of how cyber threats are reshaping the landscape of modern warfare and technology.

Featuring compelling narratives and interviews with a range of experts and victims, t... more

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