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Artwork for The Soul of Enterprise: Business in the Transformation Economy by THRESHOLD

The Soul of Enterprise: Business in the Transformation Economy by THRESHOLD

Ron Baker and Ed Kless
Artificial Intelligence
Entrepreneurship
Transformation Economy
Personal Development
Pricing Strategy
Pricing Strategies
Incremental Pricing
Manifestation
Human Flourishing
Private Equity
Value-Based Pricing
Resilience
Experience Economy
Moral Injury
Threshold
Personal Growth
Value Pricing
Economics
Willingness To Pay
2025 Tech Trends Report

The Soul of Enterprise is designed to champion the insight that wealth is created by intellectual capital, a product of the inexhaustible human spirit. Wealth is above all an accumulation of possibilities. These possibilities lie hidden in the womb of the future, waiting to be discovered by human imagination, ingenuity, and creativity, manifested in free enterprises dedicated to the service of oth... more

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Artwork for The Soul of Enterprise: Business in the Transformation Economy by THRESHOLD

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Artificial intelligence vendors love to talk about tokens and credits, but are these pricing models really helping customers—or simply obscuring the true cost of AI? In this episode, Ron and Ed take aim at the growing trend of token-based pricing, ar... more

Debra Kilsheimer joins Ron and Ed for a lively discussion about leadership, culture, AI, persuasion, human nature, and the curious ability of professionals to simultaneously complain about a problem and defend the system causing it.

We'll also expl... more

Ron and Ed turn their attention to the upcoming Semiquintcentennial, with a little theatrical flair thrown in from Ed and his turn as John Adams in 1776. Along the way, they reflect on the ideas, personalities, and historical drama surrounding Americ... more

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As part of our new partnership with SummitHQ, Ron and Ed welcome Shannon Kaiser, a technology leader whose career spans cloud infrastructure, cybersecurity, application hosting, and managed services. Shannon shares how SummitHQ helps organizations na... more

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Shannon Kaiser
General Manager of Application Hosting at SummitHQ
SummitHQ
Episode: Episode 590 - Security, Scale, and Trust: A Conversation with SummitHQ's Shannon Kaiser
Sarah Isgur
Lawyer, political analyst, senior editor at The Dispatch and SCOTUSblog
The Dispatch, SCOTUSblog
Episode: Episode 589 - Last Branch Standing: a conversation with Sarah Isgur
John Hubbard
Boomer Consulting practitioner/article author
Boomer Consulting
Episode: Episode 588 - Pricing Update: AI, Discounting, and the Future of Value
Brother Thomas Cleary
President of Chaminade High School
Chaminade High School
Episode: Episode 585 - Conversations from the Chaminade Leadership Summit
Brian Crimmins
Chief Operating Officer of Shamanad (Chaminade Leadership Summit organizer)
Shamanad / Chaminade Leadership Summit
Episode: Episode 585 - Conversations from the Chaminade Leadership Summit
Greg K.
Chief Academic Officer, Shamanade
Chaminade High School
Episode: Episode 585 - Conversations from the Chaminade Leadership Summit
Bob Poole
Principal, Chaminade High School
Chaminade High School
Episode: Episode 585 - Conversations from the Chaminade Leadership Summit
Alexis Kingsbury
Serial entrepreneur, author of Accrual Intentions, host of Destress Your Business podcast
Accrual Intentions, Destress Your Business
Episode: Episode 584 - Accrual Intentions - Interview with Alexis Kingsbury
Hector Garcia
Guest expert discussing AI in accounting
Episode: Episode 583 - The AI Tools Changing Accounting - Fourth Interview with Hector Garcia

Hosts

Ron Baker
Host of The Soul of Enterprise, Threshold/Threshold (The Soul of Enterprise) co-founder; long-running voice on pricing, value, and transformation in professional services
Ed Kless
Co-host of The Soul of Enterprise; known for exploring transformation, pricing, and knowledge-work in professional services

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4.8 out of 5 stars from 144 ratings
  • Great

    Listening to for 10 years, what I have learned from this podcast is invaluable. I appreciate the contrarian point of views to the “conventional of wisdom” in the business world!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Hexgarcia
    United Statesa year ago
  • There is such richness in this podcast. We are working on revising our marketing plan and messaging. The podcast had me realize that we need to recontectualize how we relate to ourselves and what we offer in our CAS practice. After all, we transform business.

    Audible
    5
    GayleG
    United States2 years ago
  • The Magic

    There is such richness in this podcast. We are working on revising our marketing plan and messaging. The podcast had me realize that we need to recontectualize how we relate to ourselves and what we offer in our CAS practice. After all, we transform business.

    Audible
    5
    GayleG
    United States2 years ago
  • Bonus episode 436

    Greg’s comment at about 5:10 of bonus episode 436 available to Patreon subscribers about potentially “giving websites away for free” reminds me of my reflections on mid-market ERP implementation projects. In our case, both the customer’s transformation and their maximum potential lifetime value depend on an upgrade to Sage Intacct. I did not expect Joe Pine’s episode to be one to which I’d listen twice, but I think I’m about to queue it up again.

    Thank you for the good work,

    Brian

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    BTerrell Group
    United States3 years ago
  • Obnoxiously arrogant

    I have read a few of Ron Baker’s books over the past 15 years. They started out having great ideas and I’ve implemented some of them. But over the years he’s become arrogant and spends more time bashing other models than providing real-life implementation ideas. I bought his latest book Time’s Up and immediately returned it. It was full of high-level concepts that were meaningless in practice. I discovered this podcast and decided to give it a try. On the one episode I listed to, Ed and Ron spen... more

    Apple Podcasts
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    CUSteve
    United States3 years ago

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Episode 589 - Last Branch Standing: a conversation with Sarah Isgur
Q: Well, what's your book about?
It's about how the three branches of government are supposed to function, with a focus on the Supreme Court as the branch that still does its constitutional job, and why Congress and the other branches often fail to act.
Episode 584 - Accrual Intentions - Interview with Alexis Kingsbury
Q: What is the core takeaway for firms wanting to adopt AI beyond just chasing efficiency?
The key is to shift from asking AI to do tasks to defining outcomes and value, building guardrails, and enabling AI to scale transformations for clients, with humans focusing on strategy and quality control.
Episode 584 - Accrual Intentions - Interview with Alexis Kingsbury
Q: What was the most dramatic example of AI generating outputs, and how did you respond to it?
One standout example involved producing 108 deliverables and 350 megabytes of files in eight minutes, highlighting both the power and the risk of over-automation; it demonstrated the need for safeguards and stopping criteria.
Episode 584 - Accrual Intentions - Interview with Alexis Kingsbury
Q: When did you first realize that polished and correct are not the same thing in AI outputs, and how did the agents handle that learning?
Kingsbury explains that early confidence in AI output often masks underlying errors; the team used a mix of reviews and governance rules (the 'harnessing' and 'standards') to catch mistakes and expose judgment calls, reinforcing that human oversight is essential for reliability.
Episode 585 - Conversations from the Chaminade Leadership Summit
Q: What is the philosophy behind integrating AI into the curriculum?
AI is used as a tool to aid thinking, not replace learning; it is guided by a committee of veteran teachers and used to enhance one-to-one tutoring, with boundaries and objectives set to avoid risk while leveraging AI to improve student outcomes.

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A knowledge-forward program exploring how pricing, value, and transformation reshape professional services—from accounting to advisory firms and agencies. Episodes frequently dissect value-based pricing, AI-enabled workflows, productized services, and recurring revenue, with practical takeaways on moving away from billable hours toward transformation-driven engagements. Noteworthy is the recurring emphasis on intellectual capital, ethical considerations, and leadership mindset shifts as essential to thriving in the transformation economy, often illustrated with real-world industry examples and actionable frameworks.

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