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Speaking of Cults

Chris Shelton
Scientology
Cults
Coercive Control
Mental Health
L. Ron Hubbard
Mormonism
Cult Recovery
David Miscavige
Child Abuse
Christian Nationalism
Religious Trauma
Jehovah's Witnesses
Bill Gothard
Trauma
Pseudoscience
Critical Thinking
Large Group Awareness Training
Narcissism
Evangelical Christianity
Recovering From Religion

A podcast about cults, coercive control and recovery. Formerly called the Sensibly Speaking podcast, in this weekly show host Chris Shelton interviews cult survivors, psychologists and other professionals and specialists about the topics of cult recruitment, retention and recovery. This also includes non-religious cults and extreme political movements including the more divisive elements of MAGA a... more

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This week I welcome NY Times bestselling author and investigative journalist Michael Blanding to discuss his new book, The Gospel According to Hobby Lobby, a surprising and even shocking expose of the hidden agenda behind Hobby Lobby and its owners, ... more

This week I welcome Anna Clark Miller, LMC, a licensed therapist who specializes in religious trauma syndrome and also has her own background of an abusive religious upbringing. Yet Anna hasn't let her own experience bias her views on religion or how... more

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This week I welcome back Bryce Blankenangel and Shannon Grover to help me understand first the financial rapaciousness of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, an organization that clearly values money over morality or good works. In expla... more

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This week I welcome Lindsey Hartzel, who is sharing her experience growing up in a family connected heavily with Landmark Worldwide (formerly Landmark Education) and the large group awareness training format of human transformation. This was not a po... more

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Recent Guests

Anna Clark Miller
Religious trauma therapist and survivor, author of For God's Sake, Recovering from Religious Trauma
Episode: Speaking of Cults...Dealing with Religious Trauma ft. Anna Clark Miller, LMC
Bryce Blankenangel
Guest expert on Mormon history and alternative perspectives
Naked Mormonism (as referenced)
Episode: Speaking of Cults...The Violent and Horrible Origin Story of Mormonism
Shannon Grover
Guest with knowledge of Mormon history and critique
Episode: Speaking of Cults...The Violent and Horrible Origin Story of Mormonism
Lindsey Hartzel
Survivor of Landmark Education and creator of Children of the Form
Children of the Form
Episode: Speaking of Cults...The Children of Landmark/Forum with Lindsey Hartzel
Matt Pesch
Former Sea Org member who was heavily involved in Scientology operations and renovations
Church of Scientology (Sea Org)
Episode: Speaking of Cults...The Struggle of Scientology with Mat Pesch
Ru Marshall
Author of American Trickster
Author
Episode: Speaking of Cults...Carlos Castaneda the Guru Cult Leader
Carol Merchasin
Board president of the International Cultic Studies Association (ICSA); experienced attorney focusing on sexual misconduct, forced labor in religious communities
McAllister-Olivarius; International Cultic Studies Association (ICSA)
Episode: Speaking of Cults...Taking Cults to Court with Carol Merchasin
Natalia Hirsch
Guest sharing her Scientology origin story in Latin America
Former Scientologist, Dianetics auditor
Episode: Speaking of Cults...The Scientology Experience with Natalia Hirsch (Part 1)
Geoff Levin
musician and Scientology veteran who worked on Apollo Stars and Apollo Rangers
Geoff Levin (musician)
Episode: Speaking of Cults...Scientology's Musical Phase with Geoff Levin

Host

Chris Shelton
Host of Speaking of Cults; guides interviews and deep-dives into cults, coercive control, and recovery

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 494 ratings
  • Miss Liv M

    Chris you’re amazing thank you for the podcast I’ve learnt so much !!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Miss Liv M
    Australia6 months ago
  • Thoughtful

    Chris is such a kind soul, he exudes his curiosity and determination to get to the bottom of issues. I admire his bravery. If you’re interested in deep conversations about corrupt religions - this is your place!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Kathyinil
    United States8 months ago
  • Long-time fan!

    Always equally well-researched, patient, and entertaining. Truly a pleasant and comforting listen!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ElectricSuzy80
    Finlanda year ago
  • Culty deconstruction tool at its best!

    I love the approach Chris takes to question, explore and bring some good old fashioned critical thinking to the whole field of culty recovery and deconstruction. We get to learn these lessons or relive them … this podcast is a must follow if you are looking to understand the mind set and implications of culty manipulation and control.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    WisdomAnne
    United Statesa year ago
  • Apology

    Long time listener. I really enjoy this thoughtful podcast. It sounds like you owe Aaron an apology. Extra star for you if you do because that would be the classy move.

    Apple Podcasts
    4
    mrkit2u
    United States3 years ago

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#182
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Speaking of Cults...The Violent and Horrible Origin Story of Mormonism
Q: Was Joseph Smith persecuted everywhere he went, or is that a narrative used to frame him positively?
The hosts and guests argue that the persecution narrative is a central part of Mormonism's self-image, but they point to a pattern of opportunistic, self-serving actions by Smith that suggests persecution was used as a justification for risky and sometimes criminal behavior rather than an impediment to his aims.
Speaking of Cults...Carlos Castaneda the Guru Cult Leader
Q: What role did academia and intellectuals play in either validating or challenging Castaneda's claims?
Academia largely granted initial legitimacy, with the books marketed as anthropology and nonfiction for several years. The process of unmasking was slow and contested, involving letters and critiques from scholars, and revealing how institutional gatekeeping can delay recognition of fraud while still enabling dissemination of influential ideas.
Speaking of Cults...Carlos Castaneda the Guru Cult Leader
Q: How did Castaneda attract followers before his books gained fame and what tactics did he use to keep them engaged?
He seduced people by mirroring them and recasting himself as a figure with a mission, using charm, personalized attention, and strategic love bombing to draw in followers. He then manipulated relationships, created shifting mythologies, and offered tantalizing promises—immortality and special knowledge—while maintaining control through psychological pressure and social isolation.
Speaking of Cults...I Belong to Me - A Discussion with Tia Levings
Q: What advice would you give someone just started on the recovery path?
Start with small, sustainable steps like boundary setting, rest as resistance, and nervous-system calming practices. Recognize you are a mix of past experiences and new agency, and give yourself permission to grow beyond the labels the group placed on you.
Speaking of Cults...Debunking Scientology with Jon Atack
Q: What are the eight dynamics and other key concepts introduced in Fundamentals of Thought, and how reliable is their origin?
The eight dynamics and related ideas are presented as Hubbard's framework, but investigators contest their true source, noting that much of the material likely came from lectures and secondary editors rather than Hubbard alone, calling into question authorship and originality.

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What is Speaking of Cults about and what kind of topics does it cover?

The show centers on cults, coercive control, and recovery, often featuring former members, psychologists, and researchers who dissect recruitment tactics, power dynamics, and healing. Across episodes, guests share firsthand experiences, critical analyses of high-control groups, and practical guidance for deconstruction and rebuilding autonomy. Noteworthy are in-depth critiques of Scientology, nuanced discussions of recovery strategies, and efforts to spotlight survivor perspectives through documentary work, journalism, and advocacy. The format blends personal narratives with scholarly insight, offering listeners clear takeaways on recognizing manipulation, choosing healthy boundaries, and pursuing informed exit paths. Potential listeners wh... more

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4. Lindsey Hartzel
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6. Ru Marshall
7. Carol Merchasin
8. Natalia Hirsch

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