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Chris Kalous (The Enormocast) and Andrew Bisharat (Evening Sends) bring decades of climbing experience to the mic, talking with the most interesting voices in the sport. From bouldering to big walls, comps to alpinism—no discipline is off-limits and no dogma goes unchallenged. You might not always agree, but you’ll probably laugh about it later.

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Jonathan Siegrist is a professional rock climber, widely regarded as one of the most prolific sport climbers in the world. He’s best known for pushing very hard sport routes, including numerous 5.15 ascents. This year he’s on track to reaching 100 ro... more

What good is finger strength if you don’t know how to use it?  Lillian Frances is a self-produced indie pop star based in LA who has written a new manual called Finger Banging For Climber Boys* (And Everyone Else). We discuss all things digital stimu... more

Matt Samet is a sport-climbing pioneer, climbing lifer, writer, editor, and literary icon. His new role at the American Alpine Club is launching the American Climbing Journal, an annual perfect-bound book documenting the biggest and most interesting ... more

Melissa Strong is a climber, restaurateur, and writer. In 2017, she nearly lost her life in an electrical accident that left her with amputated and disfigured hands. Her new book is called Climbing Through: A Courageous Story of Grit, Healing, and Se... more

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Lillian Frances
Self-produced indie pop star; author of Finger Banging For Climber Boys, asterisk and everyone else
Self-Produced/Author
Episode: The RunOut #168: Finger Bangers Ball with Lillian Frances
Matt Samet
Editor/Journalist; Managing Editor at the American Alpine Club
American Alpine Club
Episode: The RunOut #167: Matt Samet on documenting the state of climbing this year
Melissa Strong
Climber, restaurateur, and writer
Climbing Through (Book)
Episode: The RunOut #166: Melissa Strong: Grit, Healing, and Second Chances
Ethan Salvo
Canadian climber based in Squamish; known for V16 ascent and media presence
Squamish, Canada
Episode: The RunOut #165: Chasing the big projects with Ethan Salvo
Margo Hayes
Professional climber, model, musician and artist
Professional climber and artist
Episode: The RunOut #164: Strong and Soft with Margo Hayes
Connor Herson
One of the best trad climbers in the world.
Episode: The RunOut #163: Connor Herson continues to crush everything
Charlie Boscoe
Alpinist turned World Cup commentator and co-founder of the Professional Climbing League
Professional Climbing League
Episode: The RunOut #161: The man who wants to reinvent comp climbing, Charlie Boscoe
Lara Neumeier
German climber known for her specialized climbing in alpine routes and notable ascents like Silbergeier and End of Silence.
Episode: The RunOut #160: How Lara Neumeir Climbs with Composure and Control
Fallon Rowe
Climber, writer, coach, and teacher
Episode: The RunOut #159: Fallon Rowe Climbs Through Trauma and Into Strength

Hosts

Chris Kalous
Host of The RunOut Podcast; climber/author with long-form discussions, humor, and industry insights.
Andrew Bisharat
Co-host; discusses climbing culture, publishing, and media with guests; brings broad industry perspective.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 733 ratings
  • Best climbing podcast

    God-tier content from Chris and Andrew. Their little ingenious move of cutting the intros got me to become a rope gun (again). I simply couldn’t handle being deprived of a portion of the banter. But it was worth it because the bonus content is excellent. Just Chris and Andrew BSing about whatever. Best climbing pod out there (except for Grimer’s of course)

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    guillermo ernesto morales
    Canada9 months ago
  • Best climbing podcast that isn’t about training

    It’s funny too. Thanks fellas.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    JackChuffs5.6
    United Statesa year ago
  • Stop cutting intros

    Please stop cutting the intros. This is the top climbing media on the internet. I can’t be teased this way!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    guillermo ernesto morales
    Canadaa year ago
  • Casual conversation, by real climbers, with the best guests out there.

    The casual conversation at the beginning is what makes the show hilarious. Going hard with completely outrageous statements and trying to hold them half seriously proves that you're not taking yourselves too seriously and it's perfect to offset interviews with climbing megastars. Watch out to not fall for the "it was better before" trope too often. Keep it up, it's the best show on climbing out there.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    T-_-M
    France2 years ago
  • Such a great listen

    The conversations are such a pleasure to listen too, and you guys are hands down my favorite pair of podcasters. Thank you for being you, Chris and Andrew.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ~~~224~~~
    United States2 years ago

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Some critique the intros and politics-in-discussion moments, but most praise consistency and guest quality.
Fans value honest takes on current climbing events and media.

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The RunOut #166: Melissa Strong: Grit, Healing, and Second Chances
Q: What happened during your accident and how did it change your perspective on climbing and life?
She recounts the moment of electrocution, the struggle to free herself, the immediate fear of not climbing again, and the later realization that gratitude and adaptation could coexist with the passion for climbing.
The RunOut #166: Melissa Strong: Grit, Healing, and Second Chances
Q: Tell us how you got into climbing and what drew you to the sport?
Melissa shares moving details about starting to climb after moving to Estes Park, meeting key people who pulled her into the sport, and recognizing climbing as a calling that offered a spark for life and health.
The RunOut #167: Matt Samet on documenting the state of climbing this year
Q: Tell us about your new job and the American Climbing Journal.
Matt Samet describes his role as managing editor, shaping workflow for the American Alpine Journal, Accidents in North American Climbing, and launching the American Climbing Journal focused on rock climbing, with a six-by-nine annual format and a strong emphasis on first-person storytelling and historical context.
The RunOut #164: Strong and Soft with Margo Hayes
Q: How has Hayes navigated public perception and the modeling world alongside climbing
She explains a need to be unapologetically herself, building a non-traditional career that includes modeling and music, while seeking supportive agencies and brands that see her as a holistic creator rather than a single athlete.
The RunOut #164: Strong and Soft with Margo Hayes
Q: What inspired the book The Margo Method and how does it differ from traditional training
Hayes describes the book as a reflection of her own training philosophy, blending strength with softness and focusing on inner awareness, arcing workouts, and training that supports longevity rather than brutal, external metrics.

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What is The RunOut Podcast about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A candid, banter-filled deep dive into climbing culture, current events, and psychology behind the sport. Conversations regularly mix technical climbing talk (routes, gear, ethics) with big-picture debates about media, competition, and community dynamics. A standout angle is fearless, boundary-pushing storytelling—from trauma and resilience to provocative topics—delivered with humor and irreverence, making it a go-to for listeners who want smart, entertaining takes on the sport's evolving landscape.

Noteworthy is the consistent pairing of veteran hosts with a wide range of guests—from champion climbers and journalists to authors and entrepreneurs—creating a platform that blends practical climbing insights with cultural commentary. Listener... more

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Recent guests on The RunOut Podcast include:

1. Lillian Frances
2. Matt Samet
3. Melissa Strong
4. Ethan Salvo
5. Margo Hayes
6. Connor Herson
7. Charlie Boscoe
8. Lara Neumeier

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