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The Long Game with Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer

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The Long Game is a weekly national security podcast hosted by Jake Sullivan, President Biden’s National Security Advisor, and Jon Finer, his Principal Deputy—senior aides who sat in on the classified Presidential Daily Brief each morning and translated raw intelligence into policy advice. Each week, Jake and Jon will pull back the curtain on how power really works helping you make sense of the nat... more

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Former Israeli Defense Intelligence officer Danny Citrinowicz joins the show to assess where the war with Iran stands following the killing of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei — and what comes next under new leadership in Tehran. They discuss:

- Has the... more

Iran expert Karim Sadjadpour joins the show to unpack the U.S.–Israel strikes that killed Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s retaliation across the Middle East, and the uncertainty surrounding what comes next in the war. They discuss:

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Joint U.S.-Israel strikes on Iran, Iran’s retaliation across the region, War Powers Act debate on Capitol Hill. In this recording of a live conversation on Substack, Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer break it all down: What we know so far, what we don’t kn... more

President Trump’s SOTU speech, war with Iran, cartel violence in Mexico, and a high-stakes standoff between the Pentagon and AI company Anthropic, Jake and Jon break it all down

In this week’s episode, they:

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Recent Guests

Karim Sadjadpour
Iran expert, senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment and Atlantic contributor
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace; The Atlantic
Episode: Iran After Khamenei & Pentagon vs. Anthropic (with Karim Sadjadpour)
Tyler Cowen
Economist, professor at George Mason University, and influential public intellectual
George Mason University
Episode: AI With a Western Soul (with Tyler Cowen)
Yeganeh Torbati
Journalist and expert on Iran, co-author of 'Stolen Revolution', reporting from Turkey.
The Washington Post
Episode: Rage in Tehran, Lasers in Texas
Evan Osnos
Staff writer at The New Yorker, author of books including 'Age of Ambition', and co-host of the Political Scene podcast
The New Yorker
Episode: Does China’s Military Purge Raise the Risk Over Taiwan? (with Evan Osnos)

Hosts

Jake Sullivan
Host focused on national security policy with roles including National Security Advisor and senior White House staff.
Jon Finer
Co-host with background as Principal Deputy National Security Advisor and White House staff; frequent policy analyst and commentator on geopolitical issues.

Reviews

4.6 out of 5 stars from 249 ratings
  • Fantastic

    This is a really great show. These guys are so smart and reasonable, with so much wisdom and experience. They explain things calmly and clearly, and I love the way they make connections.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Man445533
    United States10 days ago
  • Engaging and informative!

    Awesome podcast by two people who have a uniquely informed view of how governments think and act on national security. My go to stop for all the latest and greatest. What makes this so unique is the long term view - something that’s hard to find in a world of instant gratification! Thanks for keeping us informed, Jon and Jake!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    KatieReilly31
    United States12 days ago
  • Excellent Foreign Policy Pod

    Jae and Jon clearly, calmly, and fairly analyze U.S. foreign policy in clear language. No big words or lofty commentary from these two gents! Also, shoutout to Jake and Jon for taking time to do a Saturday episode on 2/28!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Ajmora10
    United States14 days ago
  • The inter connectivity of everything

    I love the fact that Jake & Jon teach me how to ask better questions. The content provides so much to think about- after each episode I have so many new questions to explore & discovery about how the world ticks. Thank you !

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    democracyorbust
    United States20 days ago
  • War criminals

    Jake Sullivan has blood on his hands for the lies he told on behalf on Israel and war criminal Netanyahu. Clearly, from reading the reviews, most Americans are blissfully unaware of his role.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    DinaForHill
    United States21 days ago

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Clear, calm, and meticulously analytical without partisan hot takes.
Engaging and informative; the hosts provide uniquely informed views on how governments think and act on national security.
Some critics argue occasionally strong critiques of specific leaders or policies can feel partisan to certain listeners.
Appreciated for long-term, contextual perspective rather than instant analysis.
Nonpartisan, accessible foreign policy analysis with practical implications for policymakers and practitioners.

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Iran After Khamenei & Pentagon vs. Anthropic (with Karim Sadjadpour)
Q: Do you think the next Iranian strongman will be a cleric or a nationalist with broad-based legitimacy?
The guest argues the next leader is unlikely to be a cleric wearing a turban; nationalism that is pluralistic and inclusive may shape the future, but internal power dynamics and security forces will determine the outcome.
Iran After Khamenei & Pentagon vs. Anthropic (with Karim Sadjadpour)
Q: What is your best explanation as to why Ayatollah Khamenei, despite anticipating violence, did not strike a deal to avoid further risk?
He weighed the regime's survival calculus, recognizing that concessions could undermine internal legitimacy and embolden adversaries, so he leaned into resistance and calculated risk rather than betrayals that could fracture the regime.

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What is The Long Game about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A weekly national security show hosted by two former high-level policymakers, offering in-depth, nonpartisan analysis of current global events and U.S. foreign policy. Episodes frequently center on Iran, U.S.-China relations, Middle East dynamics, and geopolitical risk, with a habit of pairing blue-team and red-team perspectives to illuminate trade-offs and uncertainties. Noteworthy are appearances by prominent guests, long-form policy reasoning, and a clear emphasis on practical implications for decision-makers and professionals in government, defense, and policy-adjacent fields. The format tends to balance rigorous analysis with accessible language, making complex topics approachable for informed listeners who want to understand how power... more

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