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The Long Game with Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer

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United States
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Russia
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The Long Game is a weekly national security podcast hosted by Jake Sullivan, President Biden’s National Security Advisor, and Jon Finer, his Principal Deputy—senior aides who sat in on the classified Presidential Daily Brief each morning and translated raw intelligence into policy advice. Each week, Jake and Jon will pull back the curtain on how power really works helping you make sense of the nat... more

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25 Years After 9/11: Admiral McRaven’s Warning for America

Retired Admiral William H. McRaven, former commander of U.S. Special Operations Command and Joint Special Operations Command, joins Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer as the country marks the 25th ... more

Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent says the U.S. is entering “the endgame” with Iran, launching what he calls an “economic D-Day.” Closer to home, U.S.-Canada trade talks have collapsed after Prime Minister Mark Carney rejected Washington’s latest dema... more

Acclaimed investigative journalist and New Yorker staff writer Patrick Radden Keefe joins Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer to discuss his new book, London Falling.

They discuss London’s dirty-money economy, “Say Nothing” and the unfinished business of th... more

Polish Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Radosław “Radek” Sikorski joins Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer to assess Europe’s security at a moment of growing strain in the transatlantic alliance.

They discuss whether Europe can deter Russia with ... more

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Recent Guests

Patrick Radden Keefe
Premier investigative storyteller, staff writer at The New Yorker
The New Yorker
Episode: Corruption in a Shameless Age (with Patrick Radden Keefe)
Radosław Sikorski
Poland's Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister (Radek Sikorski)
Poland government
Episode: Can Europe Defend Itself Without America? Radek Sikorski on NATO & Ukraine
Jocelyn Benson
Secretary of State, Michigan; Democratic candidate for governor
Michigan Department of State
Episode: Trump’s Election Playbook, Explained by Jocelyn Benson
Heather Cox Richardson
Historian and author of Letters From An American
Historian/Public Intellectual
Episode: Heather Cox Richardson on Democracy, Alliances, and America's Future
Robert Kagan
Historian and writer
Historian and writer; connected to Brookings context discussed in episode
Episode: America at 250: A Net Assessment (w/ Robert Kagan)
Timothy Snyder
Historian and author of On Freedom
Yale University (historian)
Episode: Timothy Snyder on Iran, Ukraine, and the Future of Freedom
Wendy Sherman
Former Deputy Secretary of State, lead US negotiator for JCPOA
Harvard Belfer Center (fellow)
Episode: Did America Lose the Iran War? (w/ Ambassador Wendy Sherman)
Franklin Foer
Prominent journalist and author
The Atlantic
Episode: What the World Cup Reveals About Global Politics (w/ Franklin Foer)
Michael Kofman
Ukraine conflict analyst and expert on Russian military
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (and analyst/think tank)
Episode: Is Ukraine Now Winning the War Against Russia? (w/Michael Kofman)

Hosts

Jake Sullivan
Host of The Long Game, senior national security official with experience in top U.S. administrations.
Jon Finer
Co-host; former White House deputy national security adviser and senior policy official.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 833 ratings
  • Excellent Foreign Policy Podcast. Listening to Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer analyze current, and sometimes not so current, issues in foreign policy makes me weep for my country when I compare them with the louts, lowlifes and idiots currently in charge.

    Podcast Addict
    5
    MSC
    4 days ago
  • I'm honestly very surprised that these two have decided to make a podcast, but I think myself as a lay person is incredibly lucky that they decided to. It's of incredible quality, and I find it amazing to be able to hear conversations like this from those that have had to have them at the highest level of our government.

    Podcast Addict
    5
    fdiengott
    7 days ago
  • Excellent podcast on US and foreign politics.

    Podcast Addict
    5
    Podhound
    14 days ago
  • Masterful analysis

    I’m Canadian but appreciate the in depth analysis done by the hosts. In the rare episodes where they discuss Canada they know the internal issues intimately, which gives me confidence in their knowledge of other countries.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    drouselle
    Canada16 days ago
  • My goto intelligent source for wtf is happening

    Podcast Addict
    5
    Ken W.
    18 days ago

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The show's Red Team/Blue Team debates provide balanced, nonpartisan discussions that attract serious interest from sponsors and guests.
Guests are often distinguished practitioners offering firsthand perspectives on diplomacy and security.
Listeners appreciate expert analysis and interviews with high-profile policymakers and historians.

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#43
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#235
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#16
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Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Can Europe Defend Itself Without America? Radek Sikorski on NATO & Ukraine
Q: How does Ukraine get to victory and what would a secure, resilient Ukraine look like in practice?
Sikorski emphasizes Ukraine's initiative in the war, sustained European support, and the importance of maintaining a drawn-out conflict where Ukraine can leverage drones and innovation while Europe pressures Russia economically and militarily for a favorable end state.
Can Europe Defend Itself Without America? Radek Sikorski on NATO & Ukraine
Q: Since the end of the Cold War, Radek, has there been a more challenging time for Europe? How do you see the picture today?
He argues Europe has faced unprecedented tests but has not lost its cohesion, highlighting high defense spending, EU funding for defense, and ongoing reindustrialization, while noting the lack of single command but emphasizing Europe's capacity to adapt and defend itself with or without full US involvement.
Heather Cox Richardson on Democracy, Alliances, and America's Future
Q: What does the old postwar order mean for America today?
It signals that the traditional, centralized form of American leadership and the rules that governed international relations are in flux, requiring new ways of organizing coalitions and diplomacy.
Trump’s Election Playbook, Explained by Jocelyn Benson
Q: Can you explain what's actually going on with the SAVE Act?
The SAVE Act is not what it's marketed as; it would make it harder for citizens to vote by creating barriers that would disproportionately affect various groups, including married women and overseas voters, and would complicate the voting process while not addressing actual fraud concerns.
Did America Lose the Iran War? (w/ Ambassador Wendy Sherman)
Q: Tell us a bit more about what you were just describing in terms of actually negotiating with Iran and what it takes and how it contrasts with what we've seen from President Trump and his team.
Sherman explains the importance of direct negotiations with Iran, the diverse, expert core team, and the intensive, location-by-location process across New York, Moscow, Baghdad, Istanbul, and Vienna, contrasting it with the more isolated, mediator-led approach she views in the current administration.

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What is The Long Game about and what kind of topics does it cover?

The show provides in-depth, expert-level analysis of global security, diplomacy, and national policy, featuring long-form conversations with war and diplomacy veterans, historians, and investigative journalists. Episodes often blend historical context with current events, exploring topics from oligarch-financed power networks to NATO cohesion, U.S. foreign policy, and diplomacy in high-stakes scenarios. A standout is the Red Team/Blue Team debate format and guest roster, which includes former diplomats, top policymakers, and renowned authors, offering practical takeaways for professionals and decision-makers. The program is likely to appeal to listeners who want high-level, nonpartisan insight into how power actually operates on the world s... more

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4. Heather Cox Richardson
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6. Timothy Snyder
7. Wendy Sherman
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