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The Long Game with Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer

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The Long Game is a weekly national security podcast hosted by Jake Sullivan, President Biden’s National Security Advisor, and Jon Finer, his Principal Deputy—senior aides who sat in on the classified Presidential Daily Brief each morning and translated raw intelligence into policy advice. Each week, Jake and Jon will pull back the curtain on how power really works helping you make sense of the nat... more

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Historian and author of the “Letters From An American” newsletter Heather Cox Richardson joined Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer to discuss the historical roots of today's political moment, the relationship between American democracy and U.S. global leade... more

As the United States approaches its 250th birthday, how should Americans assess the country's strength, its democracy, and its role in the world?

Recorded live at the Aspen Ideas Festival, Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer are joined by historian and fore... more

Historian and “On Tyranny” author Timothy Snyder joins Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer to discuss the Iran war and ceasefire negotiations, the state of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, how Ukraine has transformed drone warfare, what these wars reveal about t... more

President Trump says the war with Iran is over. But what exactly did the United States agree to?

Ambassador Wendy Sherman, the lead U.S. negotiator of the 2015 Iran nuclear deal, joins Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer to assess the new U.S.-Iran agreeme... more

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Timothy Snyder
Historian and author of On Freedom
Yale University (historian)
Episode: Timothy Snyder on Iran, Ukraine, and the Future of Freedom
Wendy Sherman
Former Deputy Secretary of State, lead US negotiator for JCPOA
Harvard Belfer Center (fellow)
Episode: Did America Lose the Iran War? (w/ Ambassador Wendy Sherman)
Franklin Foer
Prominent journalist and author
The Atlantic
Episode: What the World Cup Reveals About Global Politics (w/ Franklin Foer)
Michael Kofman
Ukraine conflict analyst and expert on Russian military
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace (and analyst/think tank)
Episode: Is Ukraine Now Winning the War Against Russia? (w/Michael Kofman)
Ricardo Zúñiga
Former American diplomat who negotiated with Cuba under the Obama administration
Former U.S. diplomat, Obama administration
Episode: Iran Talks and Trump’s Cuba Strategy w/Ricardo Zúñiga
Jen Easterly
Director of RSA Conference; former director of CISA; cybersecurity expert
RSA Conference / Former CISA
Episode: America’s Cybersecurity Crisis Starts With Software (w/Jen Easterly)
Dan Wang
Author of Breakneck: China's Quest to Engineer the Future
Stanford Hoover Institution (research fellow)
Episode: China’s Engineering State vs. America’s Lawyerly Society (w/Dan Wang)
H.R. McMaster
Former National Security Advisor, retired Army Lieutenant General
Former Trump Administration
Episode: Debating the War in Iran and U.S. Strategy (w/H.R. McMaster and Matt Pottinger)
Matt Pottinger
Former Deputy National Security Advisor, former journalist and Marine intelligence officer
Former Trump Administration
Episode: Debating the War in Iran and U.S. Strategy (w/H.R. McMaster and Matt Pottinger)

Hosts

Jake Sullivan
Host of The Long Game
Jon Finer
Co-host of The Long Game

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 421 ratings
  • Truly informative and thoughtful

    A refreshing listen with expert analysis that always leaves me feeling smarter than I arrived 💯💯💯

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Asa
    United States10 days ago
  • What’s going on?

    Regardless of your political leanings. Listen to start with Wendy and the discussion of the Iranian MOU. A master class in diplomacy.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Glacier1975
    United States22 days ago
  • Wendy Sherman

    Litiginous??? Really? Kinda raises a credibility question.

    Apple Podcasts
    4
    cjfrogman
    United States23 days ago
  • Fabulous and enjoyable!

    This is a refreshingly knowledgeable, informative and fun take on current foreign policy issues by experts on the subject who have been involved in key decisions. This podcast is particularly relevant during today’s rather complex international relations landscape.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    User9419*10
    United States2 months ago
  • How nice ♥️

    To listen to intelligent disciplined individuals with highly developed expertise who care about our country 🙏🏼

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Che Block
    United States2 months ago

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#179
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Did America Lose the Iran War? (w/ Ambassador Wendy Sherman)
Q: Tell us a bit more about what you were just describing in terms of actually negotiating with Iran and what it takes and how it contrasts with what we've seen from President Trump and his team.
Sherman explains the importance of direct negotiations with Iran, the diverse, expert core team, and the intensive, location-by-location process across New York, Moscow, Baghdad, Istanbul, and Vienna, contrasting it with the more isolated, mediator-led approach she views in the current administration.
Timothy Snyder on Iran, Ukraine, and the Future of Freedom
Q: How does Ukraine's drone and missile development affect the broader balance of power and the potential end state of the war?
Ukraine's technological edge, supported by long-term investments, creates a feedback loop on the battlefield that allows them to compensate for traditional disadvantages, potentially enabling a pathway to winning while forcing Russia into costly strategic recalibrations.
Timothy Snyder on Iran, Ukraine, and the Future of Freedom
Q: Tim, what do you mean by the Iran war being a story about American power, and what does that imply for our approach now?
The core idea is that leadership and how power is exercised shape outcomes far more than simple military capability; weaknesses in American leadership have allowed a strategic setback that reflects deeper issues in power, ethics, and the use of force.
America’s Cybersecurity Crisis Starts With Software (w/Jen Easterly)
Q: What does Jen Easterly see as the fundamental problem in cybersecurity?
The fundamental problem is poor software quality driven by misaligned incentives, not just a lack of defense; if software is secure by design, many cyber risks are mitigated.
Iran Talks and Trump’s Cuba Strategy w/Ricardo Zúñiga
Q: How did Obama approach Cuba differently, and what can be learned from that for today?
Obama focused on policy that serves Cuban citizens, using engagement and targeted sanctions to create a favorable environment for economic openness, while avoiding regime change; the lesson is that a people-centered approach can create momentum for reform.

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A weekly national security show that translates intelligence into policy for a broad audience. The hosts pull back the curtain on how decisions are made in diplomacy, defense, and intel, often pairing expert guests with rigorous, data-driven debates. Episodes frequently cover Iran, US-China competition, energy security, NATO and European defense, and the mechanics of executive decision-making, including red-team/blue-team exercises to test options. The format tends to blend on-the-record insights from former policymakers with high-profile guests and in-depth analysis, making it a go-to for listeners who want strategic context behind current events and long-range policy implications.

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Recent guests on The Long Game include:

1. Timothy Snyder
2. Wendy Sherman
3. Franklin Foer
4. Michael Kofman
5. Ricardo Zúñiga
6. Jen Easterly
7. Dan Wang
8. H.R. McMaster

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