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Thomas Vanhee
Legal Industry
Buren
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Robinson and Cole
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Cassels LLP
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Law Firm Marketing
AI In Legal Services
Legal Growth In Law Firms
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Client Listening
Robin Van Keeken

Every two weeks, we bring a new growth leader to the table for an open, honest conversation about what it really takes to grow a law firm. No fluff, no jargon, just real stories and practical insights from the people driving growth at firms around the world. From business development strategy and client relationships to leadership challenges and the role of technology, The Legal Growth Table explo... more

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Barbara and Andrew are joined by Deborah Farone, a leading and award-winning expert in law firm marketing and business development. Deborah shares what she learned from more than sixty interviews for her new book, Breaking Ground. The conversation co... more

Barbara and Andrew are joined by Scott Love, President of the Attorney Search Group and host of The Rainmaking Podcast, who has spent three decades placing partners and advising AmLaw 100 and 200 firms on how they grow.Scott makes a simple, contraria... more

Barbara and Andrew are joined by Thomas Vanhee, Founder of Aurifer, a boutique tax and audit firm with offices in Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Riyadh, and Doha. Thomas spent a decade at tier-one tax law firms in Brussels and Paris before a secondment took him t... more

Barbara and Andrew are joined by Chandler Lauzon, Chief Growth Officer at Cassels, a national Canadian law firm of about 400 lawyers with offices coast to coast. Chandler calls himself "a recovering lawyer." He practiced for about eight years before ... more

Barbara and Andrew are joined by Liz Sobe, Head of Business Development at Robinson and Cole, a full-service firm of 200 lawyers with a global footprint. Liz has spent 30 years in business development and client relations across professional services... more

Barbara and Andrew are joined by Robin van Keeken, Senior Business Development Manager at Buren, a mid-size international law firm in the Netherlands. Seven years ago Robin pitched his firm on an idea that still feels unusual in the legal sector: an ... more

Barbara and Andrew are joined by Mike Mellor, legal BD consultant and former co-head of proposals at Paul Weiss. Mike spent his early career in professional services marketing at the Big Four, including a formative stretch on a KPMG deal team, before... more

Barbara and Andrew are joined by Jean Muller, Executive Director of Global Markets at Khaitan & Co, one of India's leading law firms, and a former diplomat who served as France's youngest Foreign Trade Advisor in India and Singapore.Jean brings a rar... more

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Scott Love
Recruiting expert; president of the Attorney Search Group; host of The Rainmaking Podcast
Attorney Search Group
Episode: 1.8 Scott Love: Recruiting Is Business Development
Thomas Vanhee
Founder of Aurifer, boutique tax advisory services firm
Aurifer
Episode: 1.7 Thomas Vanhee: The Cost of Saying Yes
Chandler Lauzon
Chief Growth Officer at Cassels, national Canadian law firm
Cassels
Episode: 1.6 Chandler Lauzon: From Tactical to Strategic BD
Liz Sobe
Head of Business Development at Robinson and Cole
Robinson and Cole
Episode: 1.5 Liz Sobe: Client Listening is Client Intelligence
Robin van Keeken
Senior Business Development Manager at Buren
Buren
Episode: 1.4 Robin van Keeken: The Outbound BD Role
Mike Mellor
Growth leader focused on systematizing BD and growth in legal firms
Episode: 1.3 Mike Mellor: Systems That Drive Growth
Chris Newman
Chief Marketing and Business Development Officer at Mintz
Mintz
Episode: 1.1 Chris Newman: Building a Sales-Engine in Law Firms

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Andrew Hutchinson
Host of The Legal Growth Table
Barbara Koenen-Gering
Co-host of The Legal Growth Table

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1.4 Robin van Keeken: The Outbound BD Role
Q: Is Robin's outbound BD role becoming the standard approach, or is it still a novelty in the market?
The guest and hosts discuss how the model Robin pioneered—outbound outreach integrated with partner collaboration and a focus on long-term relationship-building—appears to be gaining traction, especially as firms recognize the need for proactive market development beyond traditional rainmaking. However, adoption is uneven, and firms are still figuring out how to implement it effectively.
1.4 Robin van Keeken: The Outbound BD Role
Q: Is sales still seen as the dirty word, or are sales roles now mounting within BD and marketing teams in law firms?
The guest explains that the perception of sales in law firms is shifting toward recognizing sales as relationship-building and value exchange. The focus is on creating conversations, trust, and mutual benefits rather than pushing products, with BD and marketing increasingly collaborating with partners to position the firm strategically and organically develop client pipelines.
1.1 Chris Newman: Building a Sales-Engine in Law Firms
Q: How do lawyers get on board with all of this new jargon and AI talk?
By focusing on tangible benefits and how these changes reshape engagement points, rather than overwhelming them with details, and by demonstrating credible, data-supported outcomes that earn trust and buy-in from partners.

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This show centers on practical growth leadership inside law firms, featuring guests who are driving BD, marketing, and client-focused transformation in legal services. Across episodes, listeners hear real-world strategies for moving from tactical activity to data-driven growth, including building scalable BD processes, leveraging AI and analytics, client listening to shape service delivery, and creating outbound programs that build durable pipelines. The conversations blend personal career stories with actionable frameworks—pricing, client experience, cross-functional governance, and culture shifts needed to modernize traditional firms. Noteworthy guests come from boutique or large law-adjacent practices, with emphasis on cross-border work ... more

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2. Thomas Vanhee
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4. Liz Sobe
5. Robin van Keeken
6. Mike Mellor
7. Chris Newman

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