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The Gray Divorce Podcast

Andrew Hatherley
Divorce
Gray Divorce
Financial Planning
Mediation
International Divorce
Family Law
Divorce CFO
Late Life Divorce
Communication
Life Insurance
Emotional Health
Divorce Financial Analysis
Emotional Challenges In Divorce
Annuities
Retirement Planning
Stock Market Volatility
Support Networks
Expatriate Couples
Cross-Cultural Issues
Dating After Divorce

Welcome to The Gray Divorce Podcast. Join Divorce Financial Advisor and Retirement Planning Counsellor Andrew Hatherley and guest experts as they help late life divorcees build the financial foundation for a meaningful life after divorce. There is life after divorce!

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Latest Episodes

High-conflict divorce can feel endless, emotionally exhausting, and financially devastating, especially later in life. 

In Episode 96, Andrew Hatherley welcomes Karen McMahon, high-conflict divorce strategist, to explore emotional regulation, post-t... more

Social media may seem harmless—but during divorce, it can quietly intensify conflict, damage relationships, and even impact legal outcomes. 

In Episode 94, Andrew explores the hidden dangers of social media during divorce, particularly for those nav... more

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What if the key to a better divorce isn’t just hiring a lawyer—but building the right team from the start? 

In Episode 93, Andrew Hatherley sits down with Melissa Murphy Pavone, (CDFA) to discuss how a proactive, team-based approach can help you nav... more

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Social Security decisions can mean the difference between financial security and costly mistakes—especially after divorce. 

In Episode 92, Andrew Hatherley is joined by Regina Hess, Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA), CFP®, and founder of Fo... more

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Greg Schwem
A veteran stand-up comedian and author
Author of Turning Gut Punches into Punchlines
Episode: Turning the Divorce Punch into Punchlines with Greg Schwem
Janna Hefty
Family law attorney in Minnesota
Collaborative Law Institute of Minnesota
Episode: Divorce with Respect Week with The Collaborative Law Institute of MN
Michelle Leisen
Certified divorce financial analyst; financial neutral in collaborative settings
11 Wealth Advisory; Divorce Smart
Episode: Divorce with Respect Week with The Collaborative Law Institute of MN
Brian Burns
Marriage and family therapist; emotional and parenting coach in collaborative settings
Mn Relationship Repair
Episode: Divorce with Respect Week with The Collaborative Law Institute of MN
Tammy Wollensak
Licensed mortgage loan originator and Certified Divorce Lending Professional
Independent mortgage lending professional / Amicable Divorce Network member
Episode: When the Math Works, but the Mortgage Doesn’t with Tami Wollensak
Amanda Mason
Founder of Solagree, divorce attorney
Solagree
Episode: Solagree - An Alternative to Litigation with Amanda Mason
Elizabeth Verwey
Entrepreneur and author of Brave New Endings
Elizabeth Verwey (author)
Episode: Caring for an Ex — Finding Compassion After Divorce with Elizabeth Verwey
Dr. Carol Hughes
California licensed marriage and family therapist, author of Home Will Never Be the Same Again, a Guide for Adult Children of Gray Divorce.
Episode: Coping with the Holidays in Gray Divorce with Dr. Carol Hughes
Laurie Itkin
Certified Divorce Financial Analyst and former board member of the Association of Divorce Financial Planners
The Options Lady
Episode: Understanding Equity Compensation in Divorce with Laurie Itkin

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Andrew Hatherley
Host of The Gray Divorce Podcast

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4.4 out of 5 stars from 20 ratings
  • Gray Divorce - Difficult, yet Andrew tackles the conversation

    Andrew boldly steps into a difficult conversations, but breaks it down - and creates steps, practices and amicable ways to tackle divorce at a later age.

    This podcast is a great “listen” — your time will be well spent learning how to systematically “uncouple” in the best way possible for all of those involved.

    Divorce in no way has to be messy and nasty. This is why I love Andrew’s open and honest conversation about Gray Divorce.

    Apple Podcasts
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    Suzanne Campi
    United Statesa year ago

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The host balances financial prudence with emotional resilience, resonating with long-term planners and those seeking less adversarial approaches.
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Sex, Intimacy, and Gray Divorce — Reclaiming Desire After 50 with JenMG
Q: So first of all, how did you become a sex and intimacy coach?
JenMG explains she stumbled into sex education in college through her work as an RA, worked with a campus health clinic, and over two decades built a practice focused on intimacy, desire, and mindful connection, especially as bodies and life circumstances change with age.
Divorce with Respect Week with The Collaborative Law Institute of MN
Q: What is Divorce with Respect Week and how did it start?
Divorce with Respect Week was created by collaborative professionals in California as a nationwide movement to raise awareness about collaborative divorce, offering free 30-minute consultations during the week.
When the Math Works, but the Mortgage Doesn’t with Tami Wollensak
Q: How do you differ from a typical mortgage lender and why is that important in a divorce?
Tammy describes bridging the gap between settlement agreements and post-divorce mortgage financing, to ensure a plan can be carried out and the home financing remains feasible after divorce.
When the Math Works, but the Mortgage Doesn’t with Tami Wollensak
Q: What happens when the math works, but the mortgage doesn't?
Tammy explains that divorces must be aligned with mortgage realities; if support income or timing doesn't meet lender requirements, it may derail the loan, so planning for six months of qualifying income and clear settlement language is critical.
Coping with the Holidays in Gray Divorce with Dr. Carol Hughes
Q: How do we deal with significant others around the holidays?
Significant others should have patience and empathy, recognizing that the family dynamics are challenging during this time.

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What is The Gray Divorce Podcast about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A show focused on late-life separation, blending practical financial guidance with emotional and relational perspectives. Episodes frequently cover how to navigate gray divorce through a collaborative, less adversarial lens—discussing topics like mortgage strategies, equity compensation, and life-centered financial planning, often with experts in law, finance, therapy, and real estate. A standout trait is its emphasis on resilience, reinvention, and compassionate approaches to post-divorce life, including humor, caregiving after divorce, and navigating intimacy after 50. Listeners are likely professionals planning for retirement-era transitions and seeking actionable steps to protect assets, simplify processes, and rebuild purpose after div... more

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3. Michelle Leisen
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5. Tammy Wollensak
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