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A GUIDED TOUR OF VIDEOGAME MAKERY! Hosts Alex Seropian (founder Bungie, Wideload, Industrial Toys) and Aaron Marroquin (Art Director, Game Designer, part time magician) take you on a tour of the minds that create our favorite video games. We may also wander around in our own heads too. We aim to inspire, educate and entertain you about the games you love, the people that make them and hey, if you'... more

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We're thrilled to speak with Trip Hawkins, founder and CEO EA, 3DO, Digital Chocolate and more. From childhood football strategy, to WWIII Sims, he grew to make a company of electronic artists who made legendary games. Calming Steve Jobs, hacking con... more

It's a one-two move with Sucker Punch's Chris Zimmerman and Brian Fleming. Now shipping Ghost of Yotei, they tell us about leaving Microsoft for Sony and becoming a gamedev powerhouse. Tales of exact pitches and being great instead of good - this wee... more

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We get an inside look this week from Paul Sage, founder and CEO of Ruckus Games. Inspired by Ultima 3, he worked his way up to lead designer of Ultima Online, to Borderlands 3 and more. Now working on a new project at Ruckus, we talk LEDs to 2600, Mu... more

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David Gardner joins us this week with tales of the early days of videogames. A teenage tech prodigy, he was employee #11 at EA, ran Atari and is now a games VC. We talk Hawkins distortion fields, Atari sandwiches and when EA was hip - this week!

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Trip Hawkins
Founder of Electronic Arts and 3DO, an influential figure in the gaming industry
EA
Episode: Trip Hawkins, the Electronic Artist
Brian Fleming
Co-founder of Sucker Punch Productions
Sucker Punch Productions
Episode: Ghost of Yotei's Mud Blood and Steel, with Sucker Punch
Chris Zimmerman
Co-founder of Sucker Punch Productions
Sucker Punch Productions
Episode: Ghost of Yotei's Mud Blood and Steel, with Sucker Punch
Paul Sage
Founder and CEO of Ruckus Games
Ruckus Games
Episode: The Origin Stories of Elder Scrolls' Paul Sage
Kelly Wallick
Partner at OneUp Ventures, founder of Indie Megabooth, and former chairperson of the Independent Games Festival.
OneUp Ventures
Episode: Indie Megabooth's Digital Nomad Kelly Wallick
Feargus Urquhart
Founder and CEO of Obsidian Entertainment
Obsidian Entertainment
Episode: Fallout's Feargus Urquhart Stares into the Abyss
Seth Sivak
Founder of Proletariat, former VP at Blizzard for World of Warcraft
Blizzard Entertainment
Episode: World of Warcraft's Seth Sivak Tips the Dealer
Mac Reynolds
Founder and CEO of Night Street Games
Night Street Games
Episode: Night Street's Mac Reynolds Captures the Last Flag
Philip Bouchard
Designer of the 1985 version of The Oregon Trail
Episode: Oregon Trail's Phillip Bouchard Blazes Deadly Paths

Hosts

Alex Seropian
Founder of Bungie, Wideload, and Industrial Toys, and an experienced game developer and storyteller in the gaming industry.
Aaron Marroquin
Co-Host and Art Director, Game Designer with a passion for gaming and creative storytelling.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 99 ratings
  • Great games podcast

    This is a great games podcast with fantastic guests. I was wondering why the overall rating was so low and saw it only had two ratings. Have no idea why someone would give this one star unless they had a personal grudge.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Mobile Gamer 2001
    Canada4 months ago
  • Presses all the right buttons!

    I can’t imagine stories like these are being collected anywhere else. Listening to the hosts and their excellent guests is like a Who’s Who of the recent age of video games.

    For those who remember it, listening to T4C gives me the same vibes I get from reading Levy’s “Hackers”.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    joecentric
    United States2 years ago
  • Filling a Delightful Need

    For those of us that have *loved* games since we were wee lads and lasses… and have wondered about the behind the scenes innovators and journey-persons bringing these delightful experiences to us, Alex and his merry band of pirates are bringing those stories to our eyes and ears.

    I’m particularly delighted by the fact they are highlighting some of the games most formative to my love of the medium— from Marathon on the Mac (I *loved* that game and burned many hours on it with joy) to Plants vs Z... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    cumulusguy
    United States2 years ago
  • Best Behind the Scenes Podcast about Video Games

    If you love video games and want to listen to real and fun conversations on how they’re made and the interesting journey it takes you on, then listen to this podcast. Alex Seropian and Aaron Marroquín are legendary together, two veterans from the industry get together and have hilarious and entertaining conversations with their friends from the video game industry! It’s really awesome and refreshing to listen to the perspective and commentary about video games and how some of the titans and vet... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Chuy629
    United States2 years ago
  • The Best Gaming Pod

    It’s the storytelling about games we all know and love that sets this pod apart. Every week I get excited about the guest and the banter. The experience of the hosts adds the touch of authenticity that gaming pods need. It’s a must-listen every week.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Wza
    United States2 years ago

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Listeners appreciate the authentic conversations and insights shared by industry veterans and are excited by the humorous yet informative storytelling style.
Critics feel that the podcast could benefit from exploring a wider range of topics beyond gaming, although most positive reviews outweigh any negatives.
Many highlight the quality of guests as a major strength, with guests bringing a wealth of knowledge and experience that enhances each episode.
The blending of personal narratives and professional experiences provides a unique perspective on game development that resonates with a broad audience.

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#96
Canada/Leisure/Video Games
Apple Podcasts
#43
France/Leisure/Video Games
Apple Podcasts
#180
France/Leisure
Apple Podcasts
#249
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Apple Podcasts
#22
Israel/Leisure/Video Games
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#30
Hong Kong/Leisure/Video Games

Talking Points

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Trip Hawkins, the Electronic Artist
Q: How did you meet John Madden? How did Madden football start?
I started working on sports games in 1983 when I came up with the idea for one-on-one basketball, which then led to my eventual licensing of Dr. J and Larry Bird for that game, paving the way for more sports titles.
The Origin Stories of Elder Scrolls' Paul Sage
Q: How did you end up becoming the CEO of Ruckus Games?
I believe my experience and being in the industry since 95 led others to see me as a natural choice.
The Origin Stories of Elder Scrolls' Paul Sage
Q: How did you come up with the name Ruckus Games?
We had a whole bunch of names and we just kind of voted on it, and Ruckus was the one that everybody was drawn to.
How to Make an Atari Sandwich, with David Gardner
Q: What was your experience transitioning from EA to Atari?
The transition was complex; I underestimated the politics involved at Atari compared to my time at EA.
World of Warcraft's Seth Sivak Tips the Dealer
Q: What was it like transitioning from startup founder to exec at Blizzard?
It's a different job, managing an organization versus building, and I found more fulfillment in driving projects hands-on.

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The episodes focus on the fascinating journeys of video game creators, exploring their personal and professional experiences that shape the beloved games enjoyed by countless players. With hosts who are veterans in the gaming industry, discussions frequently dive into behind-the-scenes insights, the creative process, and the impacts of early experiences on game development. Noteworthy themes include the evolution of iconic games, the challenges faced in the industry, and personal anecdotes from renowned developers, creating a rich tapestry of storytelling that entertains and enlightens listeners who are passionate about gaming.

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1. Trip Hawkins
2. Brian Fleming
3. Chris Zimmerman
4. Paul Sage
5. Kelly Wallick
6. Feargus Urquhart
7. Seth Sivak
8. Mac Reynolds

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