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The CLO Investor Podcast

Shiloh Bates
Collateralized Loan Obligations
CLO Equity
Leverage Loans
CLO Market
Private Credit
Flat Rock Global
Private Equity
Interest Rates
Leveraged Loans
Global Financial Crisis
Middle Market Loans
Securitization
Collateralized Loan Obligation
Default Rates
Financial Crisis
Leveraged Buyouts
Commercial Real Estate
Asset Management
High Yield Bonds
Covid-19

The CLO Investor Podcast with Shiloh Bates features an in-depth look at the Collateralized Loan Obligation market. Shiloh Bates is the Chief Investment Officer at Flat Rock Global, and author of CLO Investing with an Emphasis on CLO Equity and BB Notes, discusses CLO basics, from "what is a CLO?" to "how do CLOs work?", reviews relevant topics in the CLO industry, and interviews key market players... more

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David Altenhofen, Head of Credit Management at Accunia Credit Management, joins The CLO Investor podcast to compare the US and European CLO markets, digging into topics like manager selection and alpha, CLO equity's recent struggles, software loan ex... more

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Laila Kollmorgen, Global Head of CLO Tranche Investing at MetLife Investment Management, joins The CLO Investor podcast to discuss her investment approach across the CLO capital structure and the products her team manages. Laila shares why she curren... more

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Cyrus Moshiri, Head of Structured Credit at New Mountain Capital, joins The CLO Investor podcast to discuss how New Mountain is differentiated from other private credit businesses, if private credit is as attractive as it used to be, the risk in soft... more

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Chris York, Partner at SLR Capital, joins The CLO Investor podcast to discuss the evolving landscape for BDCs and private credit, including public BDC discounts, software loan risk, tender activity, and where risk‑adjusted opportunities remain as the... more

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Recent Guests

David Altenhofen
Head of Credit Management at Accunia Credit Management
Accunia Credit Management
Episode: #37, David Altenhofen, Head of Credit Management, Accunia Credit Management
Laila Kollmorgen
Global Head of CLO Tranch Investing at MetLife Investment Management
MetLife Investment Management
Episode: #36, Laila Kollmorgen, Global Head of CLO Tranche Investing, MetLife Investment Management
Cyrus Moshiri
Head of Structured Credit at New Mountain Capital
New Mountain Capital
Episode: #35, Cyrus Moshiri, Head of Structured Credit, New Mountain Capital
Chris York
Partner at SLR Capital
SLR Capital
Episode: #34, Chris York, Partner, SLR Capital
John Kim
CEO and Co-Founder of Reckoner Capital
Reckoner Capital
Episode: #32, John Kim, CEO and Co-Founder, Reckoner Capital
Serhan Secman
Global Head of CLOs at Napier Park
Napier Park
Episode: #31, Serhan Secman, Global Head of CLOs, Napier Park
Greg Borenstein
Portfolio Manager at Ellington Credit Company
Ellington Credit Company
Episode: #28, Greg Borenstein, Portfolio Manager, Ellington Credit Company
Mike Hatley
Senior Advisor at Rothschild & Co. and a pioneer in the CLO market with over 30 years of experience.
Rothschild & Co.
Episode: #27, Mike Hatley, Senior Advisor, Rothschild & Co.
Sean Griffin
Executive Director of the LSTA
LSTA
Episode: #26, Sean Griffin, CEO, LSTA

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Shiloh Bates
Host of the program focused on CLOs, private credit, and market dynamics in structured credit.

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 46 ratings
  • thanks Shiloh. This is great stuff. I've learned so much more about CLOs by listening to the podcasts. I too am a CLO equity investor. These podcasts have made me a better investor.

    Audible
    5
    Paddy W.
    United States2 years ago
  • so very useful

    thanks Shiloh. This is great stuff. I've learned so much more about CLOs by listening to the podcasts. I too am a CLO equity investor. These podcasts have made me a better investor.

    Audible
    5
    Paddy W.
    United States2 years ago

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#37, David Altenhofen, Head of Credit Management, Accunia Credit Management
Q: Tell us about your firm.
David describes Accunia as a Copenhagen-based boutique credit manager founded in 2008 that invested in CLOs early on, with a Nordic client base and a portfolio spanning CLO funds and other securitized products, emphasizing European credit and risk-retention considerations.
#37, David Altenhofen, Head of Credit Management, Accunia Credit Management
Q: It was fun being on a panel with you in London a little while back. How did you end up in the CLO business?
David explains a long-running path from academia to central bank experience, then moving into Accunia Credit Management in 2014, where he focused on CLOs and other securitized products, driven by a macro and fixed-income orientation and hands-on investing in CLOs across the cap stack.
#36, Laila Kollmorgen, Global Head of CLO Tranche Investing, MetLife Investment Management
Q: How has the education process around CLOs evolved for investors, particularly retail?
Education has shifted from basic differentiation of CLOs from other securitizations to a continued emphasis on transparency, robust historical default data, and a clear narrative that CLOs offer yield with relatively low volatility. This has helped retail and institutional investors gain confidence in allocating to CLOs over time.
#36, Laila Kollmorgen, Global Head of CLO Tranche Investing, MetLife Investment Management
Q: What are some of the products you manage and how do they differ across the portfolio?
We manage two CLO ETFs and an interval fund, including CLO-I with an investment-grade focus and CLO-B, plus an interval fund focusing on BB to Equity; each has distinct liquidity profiles and target tranches, allowing differentiated risk/return setups for investors.
#34, Chris York, Partner, SLR Capital
Q: Chris, is there anything topical in the BDC space that we didn't cover today?
Innovation in structures like unitranche and evolving distributions of BDCs are ongoing topics, with an emphasis on managing liquidity, protecting investors, and exploring opportunistic private credit strategies, including the potential growth of private credit secondaries and broader alternative investments.

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What is The CLO Investor Podcast about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This program consistently dives into structured credit, with a focus on CLOs, private credit, and the evolving regulatory and market backdrop shaping loan pricing, defaults, and investment opportunities. Episodes frequently feature senior practitioners and on-the-record perspectives from CLO sponsors, traders, and industry advocates, exploring topics like tender dynamics, software-related lending, ETF design, and the balance between risk and liquidity in diversified CLO portfolios. A notable strength is its unflinching emphasis on practical underwriting, portfolio construction, and the strategic implications of macro shifts (rates, AI disruption, capital inflows) for investors and managers in the CLO ecosystem. For potential listeners, the ... more

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