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The Art Of Hospitality

The Art Of Hospitality Podcast
Vacation Rentals
Vacation Rental Industry
Guest Experience
Hospitality
Property Management
Short-Term Rentals
Airbnb
Artificial Intelligence
Marketing Strategies
Hospitality Industry
Direct Bookings
Marketing
Customer Experience
Revenue Management
Vacation Rental Management
VRMA
Non-Rental Revenue
Real Estate
Accessibility
Technology In Hospitality

The Art of Hospitality is the podcast for vacation rental professionals who want to think differently about what they're building. Each week, Conrad O'Connell and Adam Norko dig into the ideas, strategies, and conversations shaping the vacation rental industry — from AI and operations to guest experience and growth. Less fluff. More depth. Always practical.

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In this episode, Adam catches up with Tyan Marsink and Tom at VRMA 2026 to talk all things about what’s changing in vacation rentals, the importance of industry connections, balancing AI with human hospitality, regulations, building a lasting busines... more

In this episode, we interview Neil of Quibble to talk about all things vacation rental pricing, revenue management, forecasting demand, base rates vs. dynamic pricing, guest booking behavior, pricing direct vs. OTAs, connecting marketing with revenue... more

In this episode, we interview Tanya Rooney to talk about all things AI in vacation rentals, outsourcing and specialization, automation vs. AI, using technology to save time and make more money, maintaining the human side of hospitality, knowing what ... more

In this episode, we interview Jenn to talk about all things destination marketing, the relationship between DMOs and vacation rental managers, tourism vs. hospitality, industry standards, changing traveler perceptions, creating better guest experienc... more

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Jenn Barbee
Destination marketing professional focused on bridging DMOs with vacation rental markets
Unknown (guest on episode)
Episode: Vacation Rentals, Tourism Boards & the Opportunity Nobody Is Talking About (With Jenn Barbee)
Rick van der Plas
Chief Technology Officer, Hostaway
Hostaway
Episode: The Future of PMS, AI & Vacation Rental Technology (With Rick van der Plas)
Cole Rubin
Co-founder and CEO of Conduit
Conduit
Episode: Can AI Actually Deliver Better Hospitality? The Future of Vacation Rental Operations (With Cole Rubin)
Seth Borko
Head of Skift Research, travel intelligence expert
Skift
Episode: Are Experiences Changing the Way Guests Book Travel? (With Seth Borko)
Dunni Kaufman
CEO/Founder at Sojourn, hospitality operator in DC and Tidewater
Sojourn
Episode: From 6 Units to 430: The Unexpected Journey of Building Sojourn (With Dunniela Kaufman)
Bob Milne
Founder of First Chair Destinations; former Bacasa/Casago executive
First Chair Destinations
Episode: Why Niche Brands Are the Future of Vacation Rentals (With Bob Milne)
Christian Hyland
AI entrepreneur with background in family offices and hotels
First Wave AI, Archivo, Shoots.AI
Episode: The Biggest AI Shift Coming to Hospitality (With Christian Hyland)
Annie Holcombe
Founder of Annie & Co., a consultancy for vacation and short-term rentals
Annie & Co.
Episode: An Industry Veteran Tells Us What's Going On In The Vacation Rental Space Today (With Annie Holcombe)
James Cornwell
Founder, Curated Property
Curated Property
Episode: This Might Be The Best Way To Build A Vacation Rental Business? (With James Cornwell)

Hosts

Adam Norko
Host of The Art Of Hospitality
Conrad O'Connell
Host of The Art Of Hospitality

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 31 ratings
  • End of summer roundup

    Conrad and Adam

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    BenPembie
    Canadaa year ago
  • The Hospitality Podcast that Actually Gets It!

    I absolutely loved my time on The Art of Hospitality podcast! The conversation was thoughtful, creative, and went far beyond surface-level fluff to dig into trending industry issues with real substance. I left feeling both encouraged and inspired, with practical insights to elevate my professional game.

    I especially appreciated the candid banter with the hosts. Together, we explored areas where we completely agreed and others where we didn’t see eye to eye, and it made for such a fun, engaging,... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Direct Booking Growth Champion
    United Statesa year ago
  • Deeper content and story lines

    These three guys have crafted a podcast with meaningful conversations that truly address the heart of hospitality. I guess if you look at the science and art of a craft, I’ve always swayed to the art side which is what Scott, Adam and Conrad have done with their guests. The conversations flow naturally and the episodes organically evolve and lead naturally to the next guest. I don’t think you could craft a better sequence but it simply happens because these three guide a conversation and provide... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    goodwinfamily7
    United States3 years ago
  • Perfect mix of talent

    These guys come from different perspectives to bring out the best chat with their guests. Informative and fun!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Mark h2c
    United States3 years ago
  • Hospitality Focused

    Great topics, great guests. Very well done.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Michael PBR
    United States3 years ago

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Great depth and practical insights for hospitality pros
High-quality guests across AI, branding, and operations
Consistently focus on hospitality over pure marketing
Listeners praise candid host banter and actionable tactics

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Vacation Rentals, Tourism Boards & the Opportunity Nobody Is Talking About (With Jenn Barbee)
Q: From a practical standpoint, how can DMOs and vacation rental managers work together to market a market while growing inventory consistency and guest experience?
Jenn and the hosts discuss building an ecosystem where DMOs list quality listings and connect guests to the right lodging (vacation rentals, hotels) near experiences. They stress standards, collaboration between lodging types, and creating itineraries that combine stays with tours and activities to deliver a seamless guest experience.
Vacation Rentals, Tourism Boards & the Opportunity Nobody Is Talking About (With Jenn Barbee)
Q: What are the key KPIs you'd want DMOs to measure to show real impact beyond website visits or ad impressions?
Jenn emphasizes that KPIs should capture whether travelers actually choose the market because of the content and storytelling, not just clicks or impressions. She advocates for a scorecard approach that ties marketing effort to actual bookings, economic impact, and guest satisfaction, while accounting for the distinct roles of DMOs (brand building, PR, and tourism promotion).
The Future of PMS, AI & Vacation Rental Technology (With Rick van der Plas)
Q: What makes Hostaway's approach to AI different from point solutions that exploded in the market?
Rick explains that while many early AI tools were ambitious, the mature, integrated approach inside Hostaway focuses on a centralized control plane and a context layer that binds data across the tech stack, reducing friction and increasing reliability compared with standalone point solutions.
Are Experiences Changing the Way Guests Book Travel? (With Seth Borko)
Q: Walk me through how the experience economy actually interacts with marketplaces and where Airbnb fits into that story.
The experience economy sits at the center of travel planning, with both structured and unstructured experiences shaping behavior; marketplaces like Airbnb are expanding into experiences, but real growth comes from aggregating demand across platforms while the core lodging remains the anchor, and the challenge is to surface relevant, local experiences at the right moments in the customer journey.
The Root Problems With Scaling Vacation Rental Brands (With Ashley Ching)
Q: Ashley, how would you recommend communicating your standards across OTA platforms and property websites?
Define and publish clear quality and service standards on both the property page and OTA listings, and pursue accreditation or stamps of approval to visibly validate those standards to guests and owners.

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What is The Art Of Hospitality about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A practical deep-dive into vacation rentals, hospitality operations, and technology-enabled growth. Conversations across episodes center on building strong guest experiences, scaling through branding and standards, and navigating AI, data, and software ecosystems to improve efficiency and profitability. Hosts frequently explore how niche positioning, regulatory realities, and human-centered service intersect with tech, offering concrete frameworks, playbooks, and real-world anecdotes for operators aiming to differentiate, scale thoughtfully, and stay ahead of industry shifts.

A standout thread is the emphasis on hospitality as a service discipline—balancing automation and AI with authentic guest relations and staff empowerment. The show of... more

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Recent guests on The Art Of Hospitality include:

1. Jenn Barbee
2. Rick van der Plas
3. Cole Rubin
4. Seth Borko
5. Dunni Kaufman
6. Bob Milne
7. Christian Hyland
8. Annie Holcombe

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